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Nedved96

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Sep 1, 2017
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Here's a thread from VecchiaSignora (a huge Italian speaking Juve forum) discussing the absence of Dybala.

https://www.vecchiasignora.com/topic/352824-gds-senza-joya alla-juve-manca-dybala-tanti-attaccanti-zero-gol -ronaldo-morata-kulusevski-e-chiesa-tutti-insieme-ma-serve-qualcuno-che-accenda-e-inventi-occasioni/

Here's some translated comments:

"And there were also those who wanted to replace Joya with Kulucoso ...
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"Dybala is oxygen for this team.
The only one capable of spinning the ball as before, without holding it back 10 seconds to unload it from behind, allowing the entire opposing team to place themselves.
Often constantly doubled ... frees other teammates from marking.
In a team without a coach and without schemes, with people who have no idea what to do on the pitch ... one like this is essential."

"He is an extraordinary player. Juve is missing a lot, he is one who scores.
And if someone who according to many could not see the Argentine says so, we are fine. Dybala's absence this year was a bigger problem than Pirlo's arrival."

"And to think that the forum wants to get rid of it is the only Juventus player able to do magic with his feet. We want to sell it while the real big names of these players have 5-6."

"The absence of Dybala is the only real mitigating factor.
An entire season without Paulo's quality and play is unsustainable.
I would think about it a hundred thousand times before selling it, it is not easy to replace and the decline of the dated Ronaldo is more evident every year."

"The absence of Dybala is certainly one of the reasons why we find ourselves in this situation. I'm not saying that with him we would be first in the league and in the quarter-finals of CL, but he weighed a lot and is weighing on us.
Anyone who does not admit it is in bad faith."

"Today many are discovering that Dybala does not only make the attack turn, but also the midfield. Because a midfield lacking in quality needs dybala to come down and set the action."

"Exactly, it is not Dybala's goals that are missing (certainly they would be very convenient since they usually arrived at blocked results) but everything else. They break the * because we can't make a precise and fast game change and complain about the only one who manages to do them to the millimeter by serving the Alex Sandro on duty on the other band stealing two game times from the opponents."

"What made the difference between us and Inter last year in terms of ranking?
The direct confrontations.
Who is our player who made the most difference in those 2 games?
Dybala.
His contribution has always been fundamental in his 5 years of Juve for the Scudetti, in fact this year, which for the first time was like not having it, we are struggling. Obviously the problem is not only this but his precarious condition first and very long injury then were a devastating loss for us."

"Dybala is the only truly decisive player we have. And by decisive I mean a player who alone is able to solve a game for you with his play, or with his goal invented out of thin air.
All the others turn, if the team does well. But if the team doesn't run, they don't decide anything. Never an intuition, never a goal invented out of nothing, never once they take the team on their backs, go to get the ball in midfield, and try to create something.
When you are missing the only player who can do all of this, you are fighting for 4th place.
And in here people have already prepared the sparkling wine waiting for it to go."


At least local Juventus fans know what's up, unlike the plastics on this thread :disagree:
 

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Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Can all the mentally challenged individuals endorsing a sale answer this simple question?

Who are you going to replace him with, someone of a similar ilk who has magic in his feet, for 40-50 million?

Please bear in mind we still have the soon to be 37 year old on 33 million in wages who will demand that everything goes through him, and will probably limit our options/signings moving forward.

Don't give me shitty names like Icunti please.

I mean real quality players who can actually create something out of nothing and make a real difference.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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Can all the mentally challenged individuals endorsing a sale answer this simple question?

Who are you going to replace him with, someone of a similar ilk who has magic in his feet, for 40-50 million?

Please bear in mind we still have the soon to be 37 year old on 33 million in wages who will demand that everything goes through him, and will probably limit our options/signings moving forward.

Don't give me shitty names like Icunti please.

I mean real quality players who can actually create something out of nothing and make a real difference.
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Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
7,016
Can all the mentally challenged individuals endorsing a sale answer this simple question?

Who are you going to replace him with, someone of a similar ilk who has magic in his feet, for 40-50 million?

Please bear in mind we still have the soon to be 37 year old on 33 million in wages who will demand that everything goes through him, and will probably limit our options/signings moving forward.

Don't give me shitty names like Icunti please.

I mean real quality players who can actually create something out of nothing and make a real difference.
Age police :b81:. He's only 37 next february.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
Can all the mentally challenged individuals endorsing a sale answer this simple question?

Who are you going to replace him with, someone of a similar ilk who has magic in his feet, for 40-50 million?

Please bear in mind we still have the soon to be 37 year old on 33 million in wages who will demand that everything goes through him, and will probably limit our options/signings moving forward.

Don't give me shitty names like Icunti please.

I mean real quality players who can actually create something out of nothing and make a real difference.
Depends on the shape of the attack we're playing. If we're going for a 2 man frontline, I'd stick with Morata-Ronaldo as the starting duo, bring 2 non-glamorous backups for them and spend the real money on a LB and a CM, who'll both have to sustain the disbalance that Ronaldo creates as a LW.

If we're dropping the 2 man frontline bullshit and Ronaldo spends most of his playing time in the middle, we need a good, starting level LW and then we're okay with Sandro being one-legged. Jayden Sancho would be the dream, but if we don't have the money we could go for Bailey or Depay. If we're doing fantasy football switches, I'd gladly swap Dybala for Son of Tottenham.
 
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Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Depends on the shape of the attack we're playing. If we're going for a 2 man frontline, I'd stick with Morata-Ronaldo as the starting duo, bring 2 non-glamorous backups for them and spend the real money on a LB and a CM, who'll both have to sustain the disbalance that Ronaldo creates as a LW.

If we're dropping the 2 man frontline bullshit and Ronaldo spends most of his playing time in the middle, we need a good, starting level LW and then we're okay with Sandro being one-legged. Jayden Sancho would be the dream, but if we don't have the money we could go for Bailey or Depay. If we're doing fantasy football switches, I'd gladly swap Dybala for Son of Tottenham.
And herein lies the problem. Bailey, Depay, and even Icunti are all vastly inferior options, so why cut off your nose to spite your face? It makes absolutely no sense. We can't keep weakening one area to strengthen another. Therefore, I'd say goodbye to Tootise, Bozo, Pirlo, and Ronaldo (who we never needed to win Serie A or the CL for that matter).

Build a team, not a bunch of individuals, however eclectic they may be.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Specially B81. He is attacking everyone.
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Specially B81. He is attacking everyone.
Everyone is a bit of an overstatement. Hyperbolic much? I am only attacking the same people who insist on using fallacies and bringing incongruency to logical arguments to propagate their opinions which reek of dementia and lies.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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And herein lies the problem. Bailey, Depay, and even Icunti are all vastly inferior options, so why cut off your nose to spite your face? It makes absolutely no sense. We can't keep weakening one area to strengthen another. Therefore, I'd say goodbye to Tootise, Bozo, Pirlo, and Ronaldo (who we never needed to win Serie A or the CL for that matter).

Build a team, not a bunch of individuals, however eclectic they may be.
So how do you build a team that includes Dybala? Positionally he's the same sort of headache Ronaldo is, only he's missing a lot more games and scoring a lot less goals.

In the future I'd like us to ditch both of them and build similarly to Bayern who're built around a CF in Lewa and the other guys don't have to play two positions at the same time to accommodate him in the lineup.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
40,177
So how do you build a team that includes Dybala? Positionally he's the same sort of headache Ronaldo is, only he's missing a lot more games and scoring a lot less goals.

In the future I'd like us to ditch both of them and build similarly to Bayern who're built around a CF in Lewa and the other guys don't have to play two positions at the same time to accommodate him in the lineup.
He's only been missing a lot of games this season. Please don't be a revisionist. I'd give Dybala next season and see what happens. He was doing well before, so I don't see why we can't supplement him and Morata with better mids and see what happens. We could recall Kean and bring in a young striker/stud in 2022.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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He's only been missing a lot of games this season. Please don't be a revisionist. I'd give Dybala next season and see what happens. He was doing well before, so I don't see why we can't supplement him and Morata with better mids and see what happens. We could recall Kean and bring in a young striker/stud in 2022.
I think it's clear that Dybala past few years is injured a lot more than Ronaldo, see below.

days injured Ronaldo:
18/19 18
19/20 10
20/21 16

days injured Dybala:
18/19 27
19/20 56
20/21 123

I myself can't come up with a good lineup that'd support a front 2 of Dybala and Morata, can you help me out? I don't think it's a winger based formation like 442 as there's little areal threat in a Dybala-Morata duo, but then where do you put Chiesa and Cuads if it's not a 433 and not a 442? I'm not hot on giving up not just Ronaldo with his 30g4a this season, but also one of Chiesa (12g10a) and Cuads (15a).
 

Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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Dybala is a bit like Ozil in that if a good manager integrates him and makes the conditions right for him, he can be amazing. Morata would be amazing too if he didn't only rely on Cuadrado for crosses, Chiesa also if he played on the right instead of left. Kulusevski also needs nurturing, he gets moved around and is nowhere tactically. We have the right weapons but the manager here is everything.
 

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