Paulo Dybala (144 Viewers)
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I think this time last year you would say the same thing and we won the league again and made the CL finals soooo maybe to early to decide. And it has nothing to do with offloading players IMO. I think Benatia is just as good as Bonucci in this form and the real loss was Alves. We added wingers and depth which could help us down the stretch
He's way better as a defender. We've conceded 1 goal in our last 11 matches and he's had a big role to play there.
Bonuccis only real asset was as a playmaking CB.
Even though he's been out of form for months now, selling Dybala is nuts, but we're likely to do it, we'll never be in the top tier of clubs all players gravitate to like Manure, Real, Barca and Bayern. We've never had that aspiration, though I wish we would!
Bonuccis only real asset was as a playmaking CB.
Even though he's been out of form for months now, selling Dybala is nuts, but we're likely to do it, we'll never be in the top tier of clubs all players gravitate to like Manure, Real, Barca and Bayern. We've never had that aspiration, though I wish we would!
I disagree. I think we had a discussion about 10 years ago and made a long term plan to get back to sucess after the big fall, We had to build a team but way more important to that was to build a revenue base if its going to be sustainable. We have done this very well. We built a stadium and really diversified how we have brought in money but a key part of the growth is good purchases ans also sales that progress the club as a whole. No one wants it to last forever but it might be neccesary in the short term. We are an par with the big guys in europe in actual results with half the budget. Its growing but we arent wuite there yet. On top of this it doesnt help that Serie A is undesireable right now. We have done some sketchy deals IMO to get there including the Pogba deal which to me was an agreement and not a sale. 10 years ago we were celebrating serie b victories.
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I disagree. I think we had a discussion about 10 years ago and made a long term plan to get back to sucess after the big fall, We had to build a team but way more important to that was to build a revenue base if its going to be sustainable. We have done this very well. We built a stadium and really diversified how we have brought in money but a key part of the growth is good purchases ans also sales that progress the club as a whole. No one wants it to last forever but it might be neccesary in the short term. We are an par with the big guys in europe in actual results with half the budget. Its growing but we arent wuite there yet. On top of this it doesnt help that Serie A is undesireable right now. We have done some sketchy deals IMO to get there including the Pogba deal which to me was an agreement and not a sale. 10 years ago we were celebrating serie b victories.
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I disagree. I think we had a discussion about 10 years ago and made a long term plan to get back to sucess after the big fall, We had to build a team but way more important to that was to build a revenue base if its going to be sustainable. We have done this very well. We built a stadium and really diversified how we have brought in money but a key part of the growth is good purchases ans also sales that progress the club as a whole. No one wants it to last forever but it might be neccesary in the short term. We are an par with the big guys in europe in actual results with half the budget. Its growing but we arent wuite there yet. On top of this it doesnt help that Serie A is undesireable right now. We have done some sketchy deals IMO to get there including the Pogba deal which to me was an agreement and not a sale. 10 years ago we were celebrating serie b victories.
I agree that salary and the Paris lifestyle are factors. I'm sure both of us - and objectively, most people - would prefer to live in Paris than Manchester.
Of course, United is still paying Pogba a very healthy salary, which will eventually increase, and I think the sponsorship opportunities playing for a team like ManU are likely greater than they would be at PSG. Either way, the guy still has way more money than he can reasonably spend.
I despise United, but I don't think they're a crappy club atm. They've been in transition since Fergie left, but they picked up more silverware last year than PSG (kinda validates Pogba's decision to this point), they're 2nd in the league right now, and they have as much exposure as any club in the world, really. Despite Jose constantly moaning, they still have serious buying power, basically right behind PSG and City. Anyway, Pogba saw an opportunity to finish what he started there, and I get the rationale behind that decision (although I really don't like how he handled that process).
I actually think Juventus would have really had to push him to select his 3rd most favourable offer. At that point, it would have had to be mostly about cash.
PSG haven't won anything but domestic titles in recent years, and most people still tend to rank the French league as 4th best. I think for the vast majority of players given the options of United, Madrid, or PSG, England or Spain take the cake.
CL is such a crapshoot, anyway, it's impossible to bank on that. It takes a great deal of luck, and team cohesion to pull that one off.
Of course, United is still paying Pogba a very healthy salary, which will eventually increase, and I think the sponsorship opportunities playing for a team like ManU are likely greater than they would be at PSG. Either way, the guy still has way more money than he can reasonably spend.
I despise United, but I don't think they're a crappy club atm. They've been in transition since Fergie left, but they picked up more silverware last year than PSG (kinda validates Pogba's decision to this point), they're 2nd in the league right now, and they have as much exposure as any club in the world, really. Despite Jose constantly moaning, they still have serious buying power, basically right behind PSG and City. Anyway, Pogba saw an opportunity to finish what he started there, and I get the rationale behind that decision (although I really don't like how he handled that process).
I actually think Juventus would have really had to push him to select his 3rd most favourable offer. At that point, it would have had to be mostly about cash.
PSG haven't won anything but domestic titles in recent years, and most people still tend to rank the French league as 4th best. I think for the vast majority of players given the options of United, Madrid, or PSG, England or Spain take the cake.
CL is such a crapshoot, anyway, it's impossible to bank on that. It takes a great deal of luck, and team cohesion to pull that one off.
The starting 11 is slightly weaker. But the squad is definitely stronger overall.
Last season we had guys like Lemina as our first options from the bench. Now we can choose from Bernardeschi or Douglas Costa. Unfortunately, our business model at the moment dictates that we have to sell a starter every season to strengthen other parts of the team. It’s a simple reality we all have to deal with for the time being.
Last season we had guys like Lemina as our first options from the bench. Now we can choose from Bernardeschi or Douglas Costa. Unfortunately, our business model at the moment dictates that we have to sell a starter every season to strengthen other parts of the team. It’s a simple reality we all have to deal with for the time being.
Yeah, well I don't get that, that's probably the difference why I saw PSG as a more logical destination for him. He didn't start anything at United, he didn't get the chance to. If I got treated the way he was, Manchester would be at the bottom of the list of clubs I'd want to play for, while for him it apparently was top of the list. Bizarre.
And United might have won more cups last season, but lets not kid ourselves, PSG are still 3 levels above them, EL will possibly remain Pogba's biggest trophy from his time there. Fingers crossed
And United might have won more cups last season, but lets not kid ourselves, PSG are still 3 levels above them, EL will possibly remain Pogba's biggest trophy from his time there. Fingers crossed
Don't waste your time. No point beating a dead horse. We aren't a big club. Big clubs don't sell big names to fund other transfers every single fucking summer. At some point, our board and management will realize that the way to reach a club of Bayern's stature (since that seems like the most logical model to follow) is by keeping your star players and adding to them. Marketing opportunities and potential will be maximized when you have players football fans wanna see and can identify with. Obviously, the league also needs to become attractive once again since we don't have the financial muscle of a PSG, who can continue to attract top players in spite of the shitty league they play in.
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Our team isn't worse, but every summer we weaken one department to strengthen another. Our midfield is definitely inferior to what we had when we reached the CL final in 2015. Our attack and attacking depth has been upgraded.
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Our team isn't worse, but every summer we weaken one department to strengthen another. Our midfield is definitely inferior to what we had when we reached the CL final in 2015. Our attack and attacking depth has been upgraded.
Bayern are dominating the league yet again, and look very solid under Heynckes. Barcelona got Dembele and now Coutinho, two extremely promising young players, with the Neymar money.
I want consistency, and a part of me also doesn't trust Marotta to reinvest the money wisely. We paid 90 million for Fatso ffs!
I want consistency, and a part of me also doesn't trust Marotta to reinvest the money wisely. We paid 90 million for Fatso ffs!
I want consistency, and a part of me also doesn't trust Marotta to reinvest the money wisely. We paid 90 million for Fatso ffs!
