Paulo Dybala (145 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

Morata

He has regressed big-time this season. And people seem to forget how bad he was in the 2015/16 for us. Very classy player, and has a style I much prefer over Higuain’s, but let’s not make shit up now.

That was only from October to January. He was horrendous. Which was annoying as fuck, and a big reason we finished 2nd in our CL group.

But... down the stretch run of the season when things matter most, he finished with a bang. 9 goals-7 assists in 20 matches (all comps) from January 27th (start of Coppa Semi-finals, scored a brace against Inter). Including winning goal in Coppa final, 2 assists against Bayern (and a legit goal that would have sent us through disallowed). He was our best attacking player from January onwards and a huge part of us pulling away for the domestic double that year after our terrible start to the season.

 

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[duranfj]

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[Rollie]

So players wanting out is all coincidence?

We are not able to keep those players because we can't pay the salaries they could earn elsewhere. We were reluctant to pay €6M for Vidal. We obviously couldn't afford Pogba's wages. Bonucci is among the highest earners in Serie A at €7.5M net. All left Juve for much higher salaries.

If we could match player's demands, why would players want out ? Heck how come PSG have latched on to their best players for so long? It's because they're well paid.

Soon Sandro and Dybala will follow too so are we going to make up excuses for their sales too? There's a big reason why we are unable to latch on to our key players every year and it's invariably linked with money whether you like it or not.

Our revenue is not spiking up any means compared to elite teams who have more money and can pay more so it's always going to be difficult to keep our stars. So in essence he's right. It is a business model we may have to follow for the time being because financial resources have exponentially increased elsewhere in different leagues.

That is an incredibly reductionist way of thinking about those situations. You wish a sheik owned the club, and just threw money at every little issue, don't you? Even though that behaviour is is basically ruining competitive football, ensuring that the same few clubs are always at the top?

Money is a condition in all professional contracts. I could break down the reasons other than money that all 3 of those players left, but I'll save everyone that minutiae.

Is Zlatan still at PSG? I guess they must not have wanted him to stay at the club. There can't be any reasons why players want to move other than money. Like playing time, sentimental attachments, a new challenge, more attractive leagues (often subjective perspective), countries with more attractive lifestyles (subjective), personal internal issues at the club, etc.

Yes, our management decides how money should be spent to best serve the club, given REALITY. We have a wage bill that is 10th highest in world football, the club isn't poor. We have a wage structure that is meant to ensure the club remains financially healthy, and competitive.

This team wasn't forced to buy Higuain for 90M, Berna for 40M and Costa for 46M, or give Higgy 7.5M net, Dybala 7M net, and Costa 6M net. An argument can be made that a lot of that money could (should) have been spent in other ways.

Also, can we all just take a moment to say 'Thank FUCK we didn't give Leo Bonucci that salary'?

There is no explicit 'rule' that we have to sell one star player per offseason. People can say that because there has been some turnover (there always will be in pro sports), and it fits an argument they want to make, but there's nothing definitive stating that's part of Juve's business model. Beppe, Fabio, Pavel, and Agnelli basically confer, and then do what they think is best. They've been doing a phenomenal job.

The one explicitly stated maxim that Beppe and Co. live by is that if a player doesn't want to be at the club -- for whatever reason -- then they can go elsewhere.

Eh, I’m not sure you and I disagree?

Ah, my bad then, buddy. I was more so referring to that one line that Baus had, about the business model being that we needed to sell one star player a year. The one constant is that if players want to leave, for whatever reason, they can. I think management basically just does what they think is best, and while money looks like the obvious defining factor, that's not necessarily so. There are circumstances specific to each incident, and ultimately management will analyze the pros and cons and then do what they think is in the best interests of the club, given the full picture.

You and I do agree on most, Husti.

 

[Hust]

That is an incredibly reductionist way of thinking about those situations. You wish a sheik owned the club, and just threw money at every little issue, don't you? Even though that behaviour is is basically ruining competitive football, ensuring that the same few clubs are always at the top?

Money is a condition in all professional contracts. I could break down the reasons other than money that all 3 of those players left, but I'll save everyone that minutiae.

Is Zlatan still at PSG? I guess they must not have wanted him to stay at the club. There can't be any reasons why players want to move other than money. Like playing time, sentimental attachments, a new challenge, more attractive leagues (often subjective perspective), countries with more attractive lifestyles (subjective), personal internal issues at the club, etc.

Yes, our management decides how money should be spent to best serve the club, given REALITY. We have a wage bill that is 10th highest in world football, the club isn't poor. We have a wage structure that is meant to ensure the club remains financially healthy, and competitive.

This team wasn't forced to buy Higuain for 90M, Berna for 40M and Costa for 46M, or give Higgy 7.5M net, Dybala 7M net, and Costa 6M net. An argument can be made that a lot of that money could (should) have been spent in other ways.

Also, can we all just take a moment to say 'Thank FUCK we didn't give Leo Bonucci that salary'?

There is no explicit 'rule' that we have to sell one star player per offseason. People can say that because there has been some turnover (there always will be in pro sports), and it fits an argument they want to make, but there's nothing definitive stating that's part of Juve's business model. Beppe, Fabio, Pavel, and Agnelli basically confer, and then do what they think is best. They've been doing a phenomenal job.

The one explicitly stated maxim that Beppe and Co. live by is that if a player doesn't want to be at the club -- for whatever reason -- then they can go elsewhere.



Ah, my bad then, buddy. I was more so referring to that one line that Baus had, about the business model being that we needed to sell one star player a year. The one constant is that if players want to leave, for whatever reason, they can. I think management basically just does what they think is best, and while money looks like the obvious defining factor, that's not necessarily so. There are circumstances specific to each incident, and ultimately management will analyze the pros and cons and then do what they think is in the best interests of the club, given the full picture.

You and I do agree on most, Husti.

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[vodka]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42715734

 

[Kian]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42715734

great article, thanks for the post. shows exactly why he isn't a world class player yet. his mental weakness is really worrying me, let's hope he can somehow turn this around!

 

[campionesidd]

Morata

He has regressed big-time this season. And people seem to forget how bad he was in the 2015/16 for us. Very classy player, and has a style I much prefer over Higuain’s, but let’s not make shit up now.

I too prefer Morata over Higuain in the CL, but there's no way we win the Serie A year after year with him leading the line. Also love how people here bring up Higuain's bad performances whenever he has a good game, but reminisce about Morata's CL run when he misses sitter after sitter.

 

[Nedved96]

Indeed, he has not always scored his penalties or produced in finals but as many will point out, Juventus' style of play hinders the player from expressing the full extent of his talents.

Unlike Napoli or Barcelona, the Bianconeri play a less fluid game and are a little more rigid, as indeed are Manchester United, the team reportedly interested in the Argentine.

Without constant movement in the final third and Juventus' struggles with playing a possession-style game with an emphasis on rotating the ball, Dybala is finding it difficult to be decisive.

The author of that BBC article has been reading my posts.

 

[Monty]

The author of that BBC article has been reading my posts.

Oh pls, the team style wasnt an issue when he scored those goals against barca or when he was getting hattricks earlier in the season

And the team system is not to blame for missed penalties or a poor first touch or not showing up in big games

Stop twisting each and everything to suit your narrative, its getting extremely boring

 

[zizinho]

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I too prefer Morata over Higuain in the CL, but there's no way we win the Serie A year after year with him leading the line. Also love how people here bring up Higuain's bad performances whenever he has a good game, but reminisce about Morata's CL run when he misses sitter after sitter.

we won it twice in a row

 

[DAiDEViL]

I know.

 

[campionesidd]

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we won it twice in a row

In the first season, Tevez was the main striker in Serie A, Morata only had 8 goals in the league. The following season he only had seven, while Dybala had 19. Also keep in mind, Napoli and Roma are a lot stronger now then they were in those seasons.

 

[zizinho]

In the first season, Tevez was the main striker in Serie A, Morata only had 8 goals in the league. The following season he only had seven, while Dybala had 19. Also keep in mind, Napoli and Roma are a lot stronger now then they were in those seasons.

so number of goals of a striker tells you if you can win the league with him or not. when are people gonna drop this ridiculous way of thinking i wonder. Napoli and Roma stronger? cool, so are we.

 

[Post Ironic]

so number of goals of a striker tells you if you can win the league with him or not. when are people gonna drop this ridiculous way of thinking i wonder. Napoli and Roma stronger? cool, so are we.

I guess we're never going to come close to winning CL with Higgy, since he only has 4 goals in like 25 knockout games.

 

[campionesidd]

so number of goals of a striker tells you if you can win the league with him or not. when are people gonna drop this ridiculous way of thinking i wonder. Napoli and Roma stronger? cool, so are we.

If he's the main striker, it does. If he's a supporting forward it isn't that important.

 

[zizinho]

If he's the main striker, it does. If he's a supporting forward it isn't that important.

Higuain won the league only once in his life leading the line, last season with us

 

[Fr3sh]

I guess we're never going to come close to winning CL with Higgy, since he only has 4 goals in like 25 knockout games.

Aubameyaung is on the market. Higuain would be great fit for a team like Dortmund

 

[zizinho]

I guess we're never going to come close to winning CL with Higgy, since he only has 4 goals in like 25 knockout games.

yep, but we will also win the league every 10 years with him. its too bad

 

[Monty]

Last i heard this was the dybala thread...you two can take the higgy argument to the zidane thread, heard that's the free-for-all

 

[DAiDEViL]

Aubameyaung is on the market. Higuain would be great fit for a team like Dortmund

They gonna be in for a bad surprise if they keep playing the throughballs they used to play to Aubameyang.