Paulo Dybala (109 Viewers)

[vodka]

He isn't half the player Messi was at his age.

thats what i am saying all the time. he is not that special. and 23 is not young, he should reach his potential by now

 

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[pitbull]

Anybody saying Xavi is better than Zidane has to be new to the sport or didn't watch Zidane day after day, match after match. On a daily basis, Zidane was like watching genius. The flashes of brilliance Xavi shows and his "dominant" matches were regular occurences for Zidane. And Xavi rarely ever dominants a match like Zidane did for YEARS. Zidane at Madrid was almost unfair.

I think the one thing people don't appreciate about Zidane is how dominant he truly was in midfield, people who never watched it or saw the tail end of his career don't get it and didn't see it but talk like they did because they saw the end.

Zidane consistent on a daily basis? Zidane at Madrid unfair? Ridiculous. Take a look at his stats and how "dominant" Madrid was back then, you're picking pretty much the only arguments that work in Xavi's favor.

 

[Seven]

He isn't half the player Messi was at his age.

If you look at the best of the best, you'll see that they are usually already the best in the world at 23. And that makes sense, because at 23 athletes are becoming physically mature. Experience is a big thing if you're slightly below that level though. I think that's why a lot of players are better in the 28-32 age range than they were before. But experience doesn't matter that much if you're a monster like Messi.

 

[pitbull]

If you look at the best of the best, you'll see that they are usually already the best in the world at 23. And that makes sense, because at 23 athletes are becoming physically mature. Experience is a big thing if you're slightly below that level though. I think that's why a lot of players are better in the 28-32 age range than they were before. But experience doesn't matter that much if you're a monster like Messi.

usually guys who are WC at 23 aren't half the players at 30, for example Raul, Ronaldo 9, Rooney, Fabregas, even Totti, that's why Messi and Ronaldo 7 are so puzzling to me, I've been expecting them to slow down for some time now, but somehow they don't

 

[Seven]

usually guys who are WC at 23 aren't half the players at 30, for example Raul, Ronaldo 9, Rooney, Fabregas, even Totti, that's why Messi and Ronaldo 7 are so puzzling to me, I've been expecting them to slow down for some time now, but somehow they don't

It's a mix of them being built as machines and proper training and rehab. Brazilian Ronaldo did not only have three horrific knee injuries, he also had surgery on them in a time when surgical techniques were less advanced than they are today (not that a lot of athletes would bounce back from those injuries today either though).

Fabregas and Rooney have always looked a bit lazy to me and they also started their career even sooner than Messi and Ronaldo. Both were starters for top clubs / countries aged 17.

EDIT: btw Zlatan is 35 and still going strong.

 

[pitbull]

It's a mix of them being built as machines and proper training and rehab. Brazilian Ronaldo did not only have three horrific knee injuries, he also had surgery on them in a time when surgical techniques were less advanced than they are today (not that a lot of athletes would bounce back from those injuries today either though).

Fabregas and Rooney have always looked a bit lazy to me and they also started their career even sooner than Messi and Ronaldo. Both were starters for top clubs / countries aged 17.

EDIT: btw Zlatan is 35 and still going strong.

Zlatan is a late bloomer, he came to Juve in 2004 when he was 23 and gradually became better reaching his best around 2008/09 under Mourinho

 

[Seven]

Zlatan is a late bloomer, he came to Juve in 2004 when he was 23 and gradually became better reaching his best around 2008/09 under Mourinho

Really? I think Zlatan has been consistently WC since 2004 tbh. Even if I never liked the guy that much.

 

[pitbull]

Really? I think Zlatan has been consistently WC since 2004 tbh. Even if I never liked the guy that much.

05/06 Zlatan 10 goals in 47 games <<< 08/09 Zlatan 29 goals in 47 games

 

[Zacheryah]

usually guys who are WC at 23 aren't half the players at 30, for example Raul, Ronaldo 9, Rooney, Fabregas, even Totti, that's why Messi and Ronaldo 7 are so puzzling to me, I've been expecting them to slow down for some time now, but somehow they don't

It's a mix of them being built as machines and proper training and rehab. Brazilian Ronaldo did not only have three horrific knee injuries, he also had surgery on them in a time when surgical techniques were less advanced than they are today (not that a lot of athletes would bounce back from those injuries today either though).

Fabregas and Rooney have always looked a bit lazy to me and they also started their career even sooner than Messi and Ronaldo. Both were starters for top clubs / countries aged 17.

EDIT: btw Zlatan is 35 and still going strong.

Adding to that, CR7 and Messi have their rivalry to boost themselves


Ronaldo nazario came back fat and 3 knee injuries later, and was still hands down the best forward in the world. All his teammates post-inter said he didnt like training as "he didnt see the purpose, he could never train and still be the best".


Imagine this Ronaldo remaining injury free. Imagine him having a big name forcing him to play to his limits.



We saw 2 seasons of this Ronaldo, and i've never seen a player in my life who was so utterly domminating against the very best of the legendary defenders as he was.


Ronaldo during his barcelona and first inter season was the most domminating player in history since platini in 83-85

 

[Seven]

05/06 Zlatan 10 goals in 47 games <<< 08/09 Zlatan 29 goals in 47 games

You remember what team Zlatan played for in 05/06?

 

[pitbull]

You remember what team Zlatan played for in 05/06?

The same team DP and Trez played for, both were WC back then, I don't think Zlatan was. yet.

 

[piotrr]

Dybala was worse with every minute but it wasn't an easy game for him. He was fouled most of the time when only he got the ball/decided to make a run. Ref wasn't really protecting him.

 

[s4tch]

Dybala was worse with every minute but it wasn't an easy game for him. He was fouled most of the time when only he got the ball/decided to make a run. Ref wasn't really protecting him.

yeah, but he still should have scored from that sitter right before the end. mandzu's assist deserved a goal.

 

[PhRoZeN]

I don't know why, but he only ever seems to play very well when he is up front with Mandzukic. I have yet to see him play really well with Higuain. I am not sure why.

Probably because he sees Higuain as his father figure and no-one like to play with their father.

 

[Basel93]

Dybala was worse with every minute but it wasn't an easy game for him. He was fouled most of the time when only he got the ball/decided to make a run. Ref wasn't really protecting him.

 

[Sad Statue]

He was bad yesterday. And the miss wasn't good as well.

However in his defense, the system left him extremely isolated. He was the sole responsible for creating something from the centre. He had to carry the ball and try to go through 2-3 players in order to move it forward. Last year he had pogba next to him. Pogba attacking from the centre-left, Dubala drifting towards the right. The opponent had to mark both. Yesterday he could only occasionally combine with Cuadr during built-up, which resulted into a couple of good attacks.

Dybala should never be fielded without pjanic behind him or in an attacking trio with another winger on the other side. The attacking responsibility should always be split. No player ever could take the complete responsibility for creating and linking a team. We are playing 3-5-2 in important games to become more defensively strong and instead we manage exactly the opposite thing. We can't carry the ball for 2 subsequent minutes. Dybala is not an unknown quantity anymore. When an opposite manager sees him in the hole behind the attacker, we will adapt his tactics to mark him (or fight him) off.

Make the midfield stronger, learn to carry the ball and the defence won't be so exposed.

 

[Hydde]

yeh, even when his miss was amauriesque.... our system simply destroys forwards.


<we have zero planning...zero assists---- zero midfield. Even Messi and CR7 would get isolated in this current juventus.

We are playing THIS bad.

 

[zizinho]

What ?

Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Platini are ahead, as they are ahead of everyone

Zico, Baggio, R9, Romario are on a similar level

Messi, Xavi, Pirlo, Laudrup, CR7 are below

Riquelme is far below

This is pretty accurate. Agreed

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I don't know why, but he only ever seems to play very well when he is up front with Mandzukic. I have yet to see him play really well with Higuain. I am not sure why.

It seems that way to me too. Cavani or Benzema, allthough different types of CFs, both would have been a better fit for him than Higuain. Higuain is a goalscorer that needs the team to work for him, which automatically means you build the team around him (no brainer after splashing 90M for his signature), and not Dybala - mistake. Im not saying buying Higuain was a mistake as hes been great so far, but if I have Dybala already, id try to build the team around him and get him players that would help bring the best out of him

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usually guys who are WC at 23 aren't half the players at 30, for example Raul, Ronaldo 9, Rooney, Fabregas, even Totti, that's why Messi and Ronaldo 7 are so puzzling to me, I've been expecting them to slow down for some time now, but somehow they don't

 

[il brutto]

Dybala is just finding form after a long injury. It was a really tough game for him as Fiorentina paid special attention to him by pretty much just fouling him every time he got on the ball. I'm sure he'll have a crazy good year that lifts his status even more no need to panic over one tough game.

 

[Seven]

This is pretty accurate. Agreed

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It seems that way to me too. Cavani or Benzema, allthough different types of CFs, both would have been a better fit for him than Higuain. Higuain is a goalscorer that needs the team to work for him, which automatically means you build the team around him (no brainer after splashing 90M for his signature), and not Dybala - mistake. Im not saying buying Higuain was a mistake as hes been great so far, but if I have Dybala already, id try to build the team around him and get him players that would help bring the best out of him

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