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CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,321
I'll make one remark about them, then they can go fuck off and die

Messi, Suarez, Neymar. In theory that never works, cause Suarez likes to infiltrate about and act as an actual 9, But messi wants to play in his spot, as a false 9, and while neymar will play half decently with suarez if suarez stays deeper, he and messi absolutely cant co-exist.

And what happened ? They actually made it work. Messi plays deeper and swerves to the left and right, Suarez acts as an actual 9 but stays rather deep and pounces on trough balls, while neymar is to messi left and plays higher and is his preferred connection point.


Dybala and Tevez are hardworking players, that tend to drop of deep if the team has a hard time getting the ball forward. Seems like easyer to sort out a tactical way for them to co-exist then it was for neymar, messi and suarez.

We could see tevez beeing the first point of referrence, and Dybala as a secondary point, who will love to connect with tevez. meanwhile there is morata who can stay deeper, and go out of the center when there is space on the flank.

Cause both Dybala and Morata, can be pretty effective if they draft wider, whilst tevez is usually more central




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They say we lack actual wingers, but with hardworking players thats not the case


Morata, Tevez, Dybala, all work hard. Against Barcelona, Morata made several runs down the left. Here lies the thing with depth. At any time, Morata can move to the right wing, and Dybala to the other, Tevez can stay central and act as a reference point to pass to.

Beeing wide, this enables mostly Pogba and perhaps Vidal, to run into the gab in the center
:tup: Interesting stuff.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Cronios. :lol:

For the last 8 years we have been trolled by Cronios for not buying top players and spending it on average useless CM's and Italians.

We finally buy a top player that isn't a CM or italian and we overpaid. :sergio:
Top player?? He is merely a hot prospect,never proven in a big team, not a top player. He can't be more expensive than Higuain, he is unproven. And he is a SS, we have been spending most of our money on SSs and CMs ever since Secco. And this transfer season won't be different, I believe other spots are systematically overlooked.
IMO SS and CM talents appear in abundance every year and we should pick a bargain, don't spend our entire budget on him.
For example, since Pirlo will be leaving, we are closing on Khedira, as a free transfer, which would be a brilliant transfer and the way to go.
IMO our team is over stacked with CMs and SSs and I am not impressed by new transfers there, as I believe we have able options there, if we spend most of our budget for further boosting them,I find it illogical.
If we keep Tevez, Dybala will be a 40mil excess and quite an unecessary risk. With 25mil, we could always find a Jovetic/Sanchez like bargain, anytime.
40mil should be reserved for a proven starter imo.
Or even better, use that cash to buy starters in places that we can upgrade what we have.

But I guess Marotta is certain that Dyballa is the real deal and will most probably proven better than the Jovetics and Sanchez's we could ever find, well hopefully he will be proved true...
As a damage control, if we didn't sign the new Mess I, a new Tevez would be fine as well, anything less though, should be a waste of those 40 mil.

Personally I disagree with the transfer, as long as we keep Tevez and for that ammount given,
Not that i dont rate him as a talent, but i dont believe that Juventus should spend such ammounts on one season wonders, simply because we cannot affort to waste such ammounts,in case the wonder dont repeat it self.
but since the lad is now here with us, I wish him all the best and I will be pleased if he become the Tevez heir!
Getting a Tevez class player from that age, would justify the investment!

PS I would be overjoyed if we apply the Trident because of him!
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
If we keep Tevez, Dybala will be a 40mil excess and quite an unecessary risk. With 25mil, we could always find a Jovetic/Sanchez like bargain, anytime.
40mil should be reserved for a proven starter imo.
Or even better, use that cash to buy starters in places that we can upgrade what we have.
:sergio:

Sanchez is not a 25 mil bargain. Arsenal paid 40 mil for him...
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,944
We don't know what the €8m entails for this to yet be classed as a €40m deal, apparently they are 'difficult to achieve' bonuses. Probably Serie A, CL wins, maybe a Ballon d'Or or something, either way it is €32m and money in the bank in that case. He has to justify the base fee, it's always a risk whenever you spend that much, but now is the right time for us to take a calculated gamble.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Yes, that's why I mentioned them, they were great in Italy, went in stronger teams for big money, underperformed and now they are likely to be available for bargain deals,
This is why they can be called bargains.
I mention them as examples, many more will pop up until Tevez finally take his leave, some of them could be signed with 20-25 mil, there was no urgent need to commit 40mil on Dybala now IMO (unless we know that Tevez will actually leave this season) If Palermo would accept a decent amount, then yes again, the transfer would make sense, they tried to cash in, at his best age, after his best season, the biggest clubs with surplus of cash can afford to take such risks, we don't!
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
The way I see it, is if the management are willing to spend this much on this kid, they see something very special in him.

And with that, at the very least, this management absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
If this
I'll make one remark about them, then they can go fuck off and die

Messi, Suarez, Neymar. In theory that never works, cause Suarez likes to infiltrate about and act as an actual 9, But messi wants to play in his spot, as a false 9, and while neymar will play half decently with suarez if suarez stays deeper, he and messi absolutely cant co-exist.

And what happened ? They actually made it work. Messi plays deeper and swerves to the left and right, Suarez acts as an actual 9 but stays rather deep and pounces on trough balls, while neymar is to messi left and plays higher and is his preferred connection point.


Dybala and Tevez are hardworking players, that tend to drop of deep if the team has a hard time getting the ball forward. Seems like easyer to sort out a tactical way for them to co-exist then it was for neymar, messi and suarez.

We could see tevez beeing the first point of referrence, and Dybala as a secondary point, who will love to connect with tevez. meanwhile there is morata who can stay deeper, and go out of the center when there is space on the flank.

Cause both Dybala and Morata, can be pretty effective if they draft wider, whilst tevez is usually more central




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They say we lack actual wingers, but with hardworking players thats not the case


Morata, Tevez, Dybala, all work hard. Against Barcelona, Morata made several runs down the left. Here lies the thing with depth. At any time, Morata can move to the right wing, and Dybala to the other, Tevez can stay central and act as a reference point to pass to.


Beeing wide, this enables mostly Pogba and perhaps Vidal, to run into the gab in the center

idea is worked to a working thing of beauty, and our tevez dybala morata tear up half of europe and full italy

Will they call it DMT ?
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
If this
idea is worked to a working thing of beauty, and our tevez dybala morata tear up half of europe and full italy

Will they call it DMT ?
Like the psychedelic drug? :lol:

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Yes, that's why I mentioned them, they were great in Italy, went in stronger teams for big money, underperformed and now they are likely to be available for bargain deals,
This is why they can be called bargains.
I mention them as examples, many more will pop up until Tevez finally take his leave, some of them could be signed with 20-25 mil, there was no urgent need to commit 40mil on Dybala now IMO (unless we know that Tevez will actually leave this season) If Palermo would accept a decent amount, then yes again, the transfer would make sense, they tried to cash in, at his best age, after his best season, the biggest clubs with surplus of cash can afford to take such risks, we don't!
What are you talking about? Sanchez was sold on to Arsenal for more than Barca paid for him, and just had the best season of his career, leading Arsenal to 3rd place in the Prem, plus an FA Cup victory. He was a top 5 player in the Premier League this year.

Arsenal probably wouldn't sell him for under 50 mil right now. Available for a bargain deal? :sergio:

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icemaη;4967564 said:
He's going for almost the same price as Sanchez did when he was sold to Barcelona. Both have very similar numbers as well and almost the same age during the transfers.
:agree:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
I'll make one remark about them, then they can go fuck off and die

Messi, Suarez, Neymar. In theory that never works, cause Suarez likes to infiltrate about and act as an actual 9, But messi wants to play in his spot, as a false 9, and while neymar will play half decently with suarez if suarez stays deeper, he and messi absolutely cant co-exist.

And what happened ? They actually made it work. Messi plays deeper and swerves to the left and right, Suarez acts as an actual 9 but stays rather deep and pounces on trough balls, while neymar is to messi left and plays higher and is his preferred connection point.


Dybala and Tevez are hardworking players, that tend to drop of deep if the team has a hard time getting the ball forward. Seems like easyer to sort out a tactical way for them to co-exist then it was for neymar, messi and suarez.

We could see tevez beeing the first point of referrence, and Dybala as a secondary point, who will love to connect with tevez. meanwhile there is morata who can stay deeper, and go out of the center when there is space on the flank.

Cause both Dybala and Morata, can be pretty effective if they draft wider, whilst tevez is usually more central




- - - Updated - - -

They say we lack actual wingers, but with hardworking players thats not the case


Morata, Tevez, Dybala, all work hard. Against Barcelona, Morata made several runs down the left. Here lies the thing with depth. At any time, Morata can move to the right wing, and Dybala to the other, Tevez can stay central and act as a reference point to pass to.

Beeing wide, this enables mostly Pogba and perhaps Vidal, to run into the gab in the center

@Red
I like this, it can defenitely work, but mainly if Morata and Dybala's flanks get exchanged. Messi is left footed and starts drifting from right inward, same as Dybala is, and Morata clearly prefers to cut in from left. He only crosses or side passes when he is on the right.


Problem is who the heck are their back ups...


Llorente cant function whatsoever in that system.
 

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,536
I like this, it can defenitely work, but mainly if Morata and Dybala's flanks get exchanged. Messi is left footed and starts drifting from right inward, same as Dybala is, and Morata clearly prefers to cut in from left. He only crosses or side passes when he is on the right.


Problem is who the heck are their back ups...


Llorente cant function whatsoever in that system.
Barcelona have Pedro coming on and youth player Munir El Haddadi. Someone like Berardi or Coman could be the a sub in this system I guess. Pedro has got a lot of games this season and Berardi would as well. He would easily get the playing time he'll be asking for if he could fit in.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
I like this, it can defenitely work, but mainly if Morata and Dybala's flanks get exchanged. Messi is left footed and starts drifting from right inward, same as Dybala is, and Morata clearly prefers to cut in from left. He only crosses or side passes when he is on the right.


Problem is who the heck are their back ups...


Llorente cant function whatsoever in that system.
Llorente will leave. we will bring in a new backup CF, like Zaza or RVP. Van Persie i dont see a problem with playing in Zachs setup.

about Zaza, he isnt as skilled, but he has great grinta and runs a lot. atleast defensively, i dont see a problem with him in that setup either because i can see him running to the flank a lot and helping the CM or fullback as well as running at the CBs or CMs chasing the ball. offensively, he would mostly stay central and run in behind the defense on the through ball on counters or try to receive a pass in the box where he can finish.

i think Berardi can be placed on any of the 3 attacking positions above. he often drops deeper to receive the pass and has an excellent through ball (which would benefit Morata greatly). he himself can also run in behind the defense and is a superb finisher too. i see him succeeding if we play that way

i like that setup, i think it will work good for us. i also think any of the 3 i mentioned would have no problem functioning in it. i wonder how Coman would do though. still not sure about his off ball movement, but id like to see him playing in that formation next season
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
I like this, it can defenitely work, but mainly if Morata and Dybala's flanks get exchanged. Messi is left footed and starts drifting from right inward, same as Dybala is, and Morata clearly prefers to cut in from left. He only crosses or side passes when he is on the right.


Problem is who the heck are their back ups...


Llorente cant function whatsoever in that system.
2 ways of looking at this

1) Who is MSN backup ? afaik Pedro, and ..?
We can play Coman alot in this formation, and Zaza could also do it

2) We switch all the time between 4312 and 352. If we cant play it, we could totally start 4312 pereyra, behind 2 random strikers.
 

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,536
Llorente will leave. we will bring in a new backup CF, like Zaza or RVP. Van Persie i dont see a problem with playing in Zachs setup.

about Zaza, he isnt as skilled, but he has great grinta and runs a lot. atleast defensively, i dont see a problem with him in that setup either because i can see him running to the flank a lot and helping the CM or fullback as well as running at the CBs or CMs chasing the ball. offensively, he would mostly stay central and run in behind the defense on the through ball on counters or try to receive a pass in the box where he can finish.

i think Berardi can be placed on any of the 3 attacking positions above. he often drops deeper to receive the pass and has an excellent through ball (which would benefit Morata greatly). he himself can also run in behind the defense and is a superb finisher too. i see him succeeding if we play that way

i like that setup, i think it will work good for us. i also think any of the 3 i mentioned would have no problem functioning in it. i wonder how Coman would do though. still not sure about his off ball movement, but id like to see him playing in that formation next season
Yep. Berardi can sub any of the three and for depth we can also utilize Pereyra on a flank in a wider 433. Coman needs playing time, we should loan him Ligue 1
 

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