max is sugarcoating the situation that Beppe failed at providing a midfielder to feed Dybi so he can play his best position close to the goal instead of having to fetch the ball from our dunce B2Bs
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3-5-2 likely means not just Mandzukic on the bench, but also Costa and Bernadeschi.
Ronaldo-Dybala does not in the slightest trump combinations with 3 or even 4 of those players on the pitch together.
Now... play a 3-4-1-2 or 4-3-1-2 with Bernadeschi behind Dybala and Ronaldo, and there's something I can get behind. Or 4-3-3/3-4-3 with Costa and Ronaldo flanking a false 9 Dybala.
But let's not act like a shit Bologna at home Is a great indicator that 3-5-2 with Ronaldo-Dybala while benching the rest of our attackers is super effective. That would be silly.
Allegri also said last year that Dybala was dropping too deep often and he wanted him playing closer to Higuain. So I'm pretty sure Allegri is aware that Dybala operates better further up the pitch, but he's also best when not so tactically restrained and given more of a free role in attack.
Ronaldo-Dybala does not in the slightest trump combinations with 3 or even 4 of those players on the pitch together.
Now... play a 3-4-1-2 or 4-3-1-2 with Bernadeschi behind Dybala and Ronaldo, and there's something I can get behind. Or 4-3-3/3-4-3 with Costa and Ronaldo flanking a false 9 Dybala.
But let's not act like a shit Bologna at home Is a great indicator that 3-5-2 with Ronaldo-Dybala while benching the rest of our attackers is super effective. That would be silly.
Allegri also said last year that Dybala was dropping too deep often and he wanted him playing closer to Higuain. So I'm pretty sure Allegri is aware that Dybala operates better further up the pitch, but he's also best when not so tactically restrained and given more of a free role in attack.
Dybi is deadly infront of goal, he is literally competely wasted in any other position. If he drops further down the pitch it has to be because of some surprise elements, not out of necessity because Can or Khedira or Matuidi are brick-footed sideways passers
I'd rather sell him to get a worldclass CM than watch him gettting squeezed into some Kevin de Bruyne role because we have the best CF in the world and Ronaldo
I'd rather sell him to get a worldclass CM than watch him gettting squeezed into some Kevin de Bruyne role because we have the best CF in the world and Ronaldo
not really kidding, but yeah, Bologna game. I don't think anyone is suggesting Dybala should be a pure penalty box striker like Inzaghi, but imo he's best when the team is feeding him as the striker and gets him the ball in favorable positions, like David Villa f.e., not when he has to feed the strikers ahead of him and link mid to attack like CAM in 4231 or playing with Mario and CR7 in 433. I guess it just all comes down to how people understand what playing deep means
Villa was notoriuous for deep runs from the left side, bad example.
Dybala can't play with his back to the goal, and he should not play that way. Dude is amazing in getting the ball between the lines, face up the goal, create numbers advantage and exploit it. He might the best in the world in it, but no, tuzers want him to play closer to goal, whatever the hell it means.
Dybala can't play with his back to the goal, and he should not play that way. Dude is amazing in getting the ball between the lines, face up the goal, create numbers advantage and exploit it. He might the best in the world in it, but no, tuzers want him to play closer to goal, whatever the hell it means.
you're taking deep and not deep too literally, Villa was notorious for being a deadly finisher and game decider with his goals around and in penalty box as both SS or F9. he may have liked to drop deep, but in no way you could say that he played deep either for Spain, Valencia or Barcelona
I want Dybala to play in a similar position as a striker and not as a CAM, I want to have Paolo to be a finisher of attacks not be lost in an overcrowded central dead zone watching our fullbacks and wingers bomb crosses towards Mario and CR7.
I want Dybala to play in a similar position as a striker and not as a CAM, I want to have Paolo to be a finisher of attacks not be lost in an overcrowded central dead zone watching our fullbacks and wingers bomb crosses towards Mario and CR7.
Agree, Allegri is benching Vidal and Pogba for no reason 
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This is so incoherent that I don't even know where to start. How do you not take deep literally? Should we assume it actually means high? Why does it matter if he's on paper marked as CAM or ST if he ends up moving in to the same positions? Also I hope you don't take this too literally, just the right amount of literally would be fine.
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I'm not necessarily advocating the 3-5-2 but moreso a formation where we can get 6 or 7 players in midfield monopolizing possession.
The 3-5-2 defends with only 8 players. So you can come up with a 4-4-2 that does the same and also includes Costa at LM and Bernardeschi at RM.
The most obvious thing to me regarding Dybala is that he cannot operate as a strict CAM where he is expected to always be available between the lines, to take a single touch and spread play. It's not in his DNA. He is not Ozil, Isco, Iniesta, etc.
If Max wants him to move across the pitch then he has to do it as a surplus player in midfield. We need tons of options already existing in midfield so that when Dybala drops, he can collect the ball in peace.
So this is not only accomplished with Dybala playing off the CBs, but also Ronaldo. You can play a 4-4-2 just the same with neither CR7 or Dybala occupying the CBs. The worry is always that the CBs will just follow them into midfield and compress our buildup but I think with CR7 in the team, the CBs are always on their back foot, so we should take advantage of that and play comfortably with 6 or 7 players in midfield.
The 3-5-2 defends with only 8 players. So you can come up with a 4-4-2 that does the same and also includes Costa at LM and Bernardeschi at RM.
The most obvious thing to me regarding Dybala is that he cannot operate as a strict CAM where he is expected to always be available between the lines, to take a single touch and spread play. It's not in his DNA. He is not Ozil, Isco, Iniesta, etc.
If Max wants him to move across the pitch then he has to do it as a surplus player in midfield. We need tons of options already existing in midfield so that when Dybala drops, he can collect the ball in peace.
So this is not only accomplished with Dybala playing off the CBs, but also Ronaldo. You can play a 4-4-2 just the same with neither CR7 or Dybala occupying the CBs. The worry is always that the CBs will just follow them into midfield and compress our buildup but I think with CR7 in the team, the CBs are always on their back foot, so we should take advantage of that and play comfortably with 6 or 7 players in midfield.
Dybala roamed mostly vertically and towards the right in the 3511 vs Bologna. CR7 roamed mostly horizontally, between the lines and towards the left in a confused state (always looks that way when he plays CF instead of LWF). The two B2B pushed up and positioned themselves between the CB and the FB.
You obviously can't do that with two B2Bs in a 4231 because you don't have enough of them. You don't have an extra CB covering either and neither can either one of the FBs play a more conservative FB role like Evra...or Asamoah in some games.
And we defend in a 442 shape when we play 433 also btw.
Funny seeing some people wanting us play 352 now. Always such change in opinions re formation, players, everything after every single game based on that one game. You're humans with prefrontal cortex, not goldfish with 9 sec memory or excitable puppies.
433 will and should remain the main formation. 4231 will be used when we need to attack and 352 when we need to defend or when there are injuries/need for rest like vs Bologna.
The way 352 (3511) was used against Bologna was nice (but it didn't look good just bc of that, it was also the faster pace and a more balanced team (CR7, MM, Dyb in front 3 doesn't work), both of which we missed vs Frosinone). Took away all reference points after the Frosinone game. But Max has to come up with diff movements with the other formations for parked buses.
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I don't know if he's talking about traditional 9 or F9. The two are completely different.
Obviously Dybala isn't a classic CF type player.
He was great as a F9 at Palermo. And in that role you roam, drop, create, and attack the box at the end of plays. It's not the more stationary role that gives reference points like traditional 9 role. So, I don't get why Dybala can't play F9.
You obviously can't do that with two B2Bs in a 4231 because you don't have enough of them. You don't have an extra CB covering either and neither can either one of the FBs play a more conservative FB role like Evra...or Asamoah in some games.
And we defend in a 442 shape when we play 433 also btw.
Funny seeing some people wanting us play 352 now. Always such change in opinions re formation, players, everything after every single game based on that one game. You're humans with prefrontal cortex, not goldfish with 9 sec memory or excitable puppies.
433 will and should remain the main formation. 4231 will be used when we need to attack and 352 when we need to defend or when there are injuries/need for rest like vs Bologna.
The way 352 (3511) was used against Bologna was nice (but it didn't look good just bc of that, it was also the faster pace and a more balanced team (CR7, MM, Dyb in front 3 doesn't work), both of which we missed vs Frosinone). Took away all reference points after the Frosinone game. But Max has to come up with diff movements with the other formations for parked buses.
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I don't know if he's talking about traditional 9 or F9. The two are completely different.
Obviously Dybala isn't a classic CF type player.
He was great as a F9 at Palermo. And in that role you roam, drop, create, and attack the box at the end of plays. It's not the more stationary role that gives reference points like traditional 9 role. So, I don't get why Dybala can't play F9.
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