Paulo Dybala (149 Viewers)

[enzo]

I don't believe that. I just think Messi and Ronaldo are that far ahead of anyone else that i can't see someone squeaking in UNLESS they do something extraordinary outside their domestic league like lead their team to a CL trophy or World Cup (Cannavaro). The EPL is the league that far and away gets the most attention and the last player to win it from an EPL club was Ronaldo in 2008.

You don't think if Higuain would of scored 10 goals in the CL and brought his team to the finals that he wouldn't have ended top 3 in voting this coming year?

Probably. He would have to be brilliant in the Champions League, because Serie A wouldn't count as much as Primera Division does. You are definitely right about Messi and Ronaldo though. However, it's getting boring even for the coaches, so there are chances for new players to step into the light.

 

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[Seven]

Was that a subtle way of saying I'm in the lower half?

No, it wasn't. My point is more that Pogba is probably below average in terms of intelligence. Obviously this isn't true for every player, but it seems to be for Pogs.

 

[JuveJay]

No, it wasn't. My point is more that Pogba is probably below average in terms of intelligence. Obviously this isn't true for every player, but it seems to be for Pogs.

Which is just as well, because he'd basically be an extraterrestrial if he was a really smart player.

 

[Juve FC]

Probably. He would have to be brilliant in the Champions League, because Serie A wouldn't count as much as Primera Division does. You are definitely right about Messi and Ronaldo though. However, it's getting boring even for the coaches, so there are chances for new players to step into the light.

Agreed that's why i think Ronaldo is a shoe in this year. Without a doubt. 51 goals in all competition including 16 in the champions league and a Euro cup?

 

[Raz]

No, it wasn't. My point is more that Pogba is probably below average in terms of intelligence. Obviously this isn't true for every player, but it seems to be for Pogs.

I know it wasn't, but with you you never really know

 

[JuveJay]

A Serie A player could win the Ballon D'Or, but only if his team won the CL in a non-tournament summer.

 

[Xperd]

A Serie A player could win the Ballon D'Or, but only if his team won the CL in a non-tournament summer.

Doubt it.

That player has to have a lot of goals under his belt. Like a goal per game average or something.

 

[JuveJay]

Doubt it.

That player has to have a lot of goals under his belt. Like a goal per game average or something.

Ultimately I think people know that 30% of the domestic goals scored by Ronaldo and Messi are worth dust.

 

[Hydde]

Ultimately I think people know that 30% of the domestic goals scored by Ronaldo and Messi are worth dust.

Not by the hype machine that rules football.

The only way a juve player can win ballondor is winning th CL and being protagonist.

 

[italiacalcio10]

A Serie A player could win the Ballon D'Or, but only if his team won the CL in a non-tournament summer.

Also would help if the player were marketable. Dybala has that quality, and probably nobody else. If we bought James, and he were to have a career year, he could definitely win.

I agree that the ballon is a hype machine...Need marketable players. Unfortunately we just sold our most marketable. Although, I don't think Pogba is good enough to win the Ballon. You need to be pretty magically to win and not be a forward.

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Ultimately I think people know that 30% of the domestic goals scored by Ronaldo and Messi are worth dust.

I think we've all read the comments by those cretins on goal.com where Real Madrid & Barcelona bandwagoners trade insults involving "Pessi" and "Penaldo".

 

[JuveJay]

Not by the hype machine that rules football.

The only way a juve player can win ballondor is winning th CL and being protagonist.

Dybala 30 goals next season and 8-9 in a CL win (scoring in final) would put him top 3 at least in one season.

 

[Hydde]

yeh....but we will need still to win the thing to force UEFA to give the thing to him.

Because they will most likely give it to Pogba

 

[Gep]

Proper #10

 

[italiacalcio10]

yeh....but we will need still to win the thing to force UEFA to give the thing to him.

Because they will most likely give it to Pogba

Well we will know corruption if he wins with his inevitable accomplishments of finishing 5th place in the league & getting to the semifinals of the Europa league after getting beaten by Sassuolo.

 

[Osman]

He wasnt referring to us as holiday per se.

He was like ' i've been at united all this while, i just left for a holiday. thats how connected i feel' or something along those lines.

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Pogba was a former academy player of that club. He felt let down by Fergie when he chose Scholes ahead of him and decided to leave out of frustration. I think he feels emotionally connected to United while at the same time is grateful to Juventus for giving him the opportunity. He leaves us as the world's most expensive transfer after all. The only regret i have is the #10 jersey which he stamped on.

I know people are upset we selling our best players each year but all those constantly bashing them after they leave are equally setting a dangerous precedent by throwing all the venom you can at them. No need to act so entitled and label it as 'fandom' or something.

We building a great team. Just sit back and enjoy rather than acting like salty Napoli/Roma fans.

Mainly because of the venom part, insane how some behave like bitter Napoli fans.

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[Hydde]

Bullshit.

 

[PedroFlu]

this "comission" is probably how Raiola tries to give a semblance of legality when in fact it probably referes to him, a third party, owning 25% of the player rights.

Thats a likely reason we managed to snatch him for free. Many clubs probably backed down due to this when he was free in Utd.

This is the most likely scenarium IMO. It should have been a verbal agreement between club and Raiola when Pogba was signed, and a condition imposed by the agent.\

Probably Raiola shared this with Pogba himself. So it was, from the very beginning at United, a plot by the agent and the player to force a few transactions so they could get instantly filthy rich.

IF this reality - we did very well to do it. We just can't match salaries, and Pogba and Raiola were aiming at this from the very beginning. The sole financial reason is absolutely proven by the team he chose to be. I`m guessing Pogba got 12.5M from this, and so did Raiola, and everybody was happy. It was only a matter of time, definitely.

And Marotta was great to sign him, even in those shady conditions. The 4 yrs performance was spectacular, club made a lot of money, brand developed. This stall in the end was probably Juve trying to get out of this 25% shit to Raiola, since it`s illegal for a third party to own a player. But they conceived. Maybe Untd shared a bit of this "comission".

But when you come to terms with how this hole thing developed, you can only praise Marotta for taking that decision that lots of clubs probably ran away. It really paid off. Yes, we got explored by a fuck fat pig, but the performances delivered paid off greatly. I'm sure we couldnt win the 4th league without Pogba, and probably the last also.

Now kudos to Marotta and lets move on. DO NOT SIGN EXPENSIVE OLD AVERAGE PLAYERS LIKE MATUIDI AND WITSEL though. Get us some like Isco/Matic (preferrably both) and call it an spectacular mercato.

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By the way, with that young guy we have - the 16yr old black CF, forgot his name - is probably stalled for this exact reason. Raiola is trying to insert as a condition for the renewal that he gets some really high percentage of next sale as comission - when in fact, it`s owning part of the players rights.

And Marotta doesnt want to bow to that again, and he shouldnt, as a rule - except if this is a spectacular prospect like Pogba.

 

[JuveJay]

I wonder what not dealing with Raiola would actually bring us. Everyone who works with him knows that you never get things on your terms, but his clients often bring great value one way or another.

Ultimately we'll bend over to what he says for Kean because refusing to will make us lose a player for peanuts compensation. Doing what he says means we don't get our way but at the least we'll get several million further down the line, at best we might have a top player for 4-5 years and potentially a massive fee once sold. I don't think you can just throw the guy away. It's not really any different to Pogba's situation at United as a kid. Do we want to end up like they were?

 

[Hydde]

this "comission" is probably how Raiola tries to give a semblance of legality when in fact it probably referes to him, a third party, owning 25% of the player rights.

Thats a likely reason we managed to snatch him for free. Many clubs probably backed down due to this when he was free in Utd.

This is the most likely scenarium IMO. It should have been a verbal agreement between club and Raiola when Pogba was signed, and a condition imposed by the agent.\

Probably Raiola shared this with Pogba himself. So it was, from the very beginning at United, a plot by the agent and the player to force a few transactions so they could get instantly filthy rich.

IF this reality - we did very well to do it. We just can't match salaries, and Pogba and Raiola were aiming at this from the very beginning. The sole financial reason is absolutely proven by the team he chose to be. I`m guessing Pogba got 12.5M from this, and so did Raiola, and everybody was happy. It was only a matter of time, definitely.

And Marotta was great to sign him, even in those shady conditions. The 4 yrs performance was spectacular, club made a lot of money, brand developed. This stall in the end was probably Juve trying to get out of this 25% $#@! to Raiola, since it`s illegal for a third party to own a player. But they conceived. Maybe Untd shared a bit of this "comission".

But when you come to terms with how this hole thing developed, you can only praise Marotta for taking that decision that lots of clubs probably ran away. It really paid off. Yes, we got explored by a $#@! fat pig, but the performances delivered paid off greatly. I'm sure we couldnt win the 4th league without Pogba, and probably the last also.

Now kudos to Marotta and lets move on. DO NOT SIGN EXPENSIVE OLD AVERAGE PLAYERS LIKE MATUIDI AND WITSEL though. Get us some like Isco/Matic (preferrably both) and call it an spectacular mercato.

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By the way, with that young guy we have - the 16yr old black CF, forgot his name - is probably stalled for this exact reason. Raiola is trying to insert as a condition for the renewal that he gets some really high percentage of next sale as comission - when in fact, it`s owning part of the players rights.

And Marotta doesnt want to bow to that again, and he shouldnt, as a rule - except if this is a spectacular prospect like Pogba.

Most likely this. And im amd as fuk by getting asshandled by raiola....but the truth is that in the end we got a super massive profit for a player we invested peanuts in getting here.

Even when we could have got more.... those 72 mils are no peanuts.

Sadly, the ype machine that ogba is will give manU infinite money...... but i hope we can get the most out of this and take Juventus to new levels. The stronger we are, the less we have to bend.

Sadly, we are not an economic force and cant fight the money warss

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I wonder what not dealing with Raiola would actually bring us. Everyone who works with him knows that you never get things on your terms, but his clients often bring great value one way or another.

Ultimately we'll bend over to what he says for Kean because refusing to will make us lose a player for peanuts compensation. Doing what he says means we don't get our way but at the least we'll get several million further down the line, at best we might have a top player for 4-5 years and potentially a massive fee once sold. I don't think you can just throw the guy away. It's not really any different to Pogba's situation at United as a kid. Do we want to end up like they were?

it seems.

As much as it angers me that Raiola practically order us...the fuker bring us the goods not only with expensive selling fees...but also with good players...so it is difficult to just say "fuk the fatman and never deal with him again"....

Sadly, we need all the money we can get and maybe we will have to sell a couple of Pogbas more to reach a state in which we can hold them.

But also, this is largely tied to serie A. If the league keeps being so bad and boring....players will not last more than 3-4 years with us before they think about finding new adventures with higher salaries.

We are doing really really good...but i feel serie A is stalling us soooo much

 

[PedroFlu]

I wonder what not dealing with Raiola would actually bring us. Everyone who works with him knows that you never get things on your terms, but his clients often bring great value one way or another.

Ultimately we'll bend over to what he says for Kean because refusing to will make us lose a player for peanuts compensation. Doing what he says means we don't get our way but at the least we'll get several million further down the line, at best we might have a top player for 4-5 years and potentially a massive fee once sold. I don't think you can just throw the guy away. It's not really any different to Pogba's situation at United as a kid. Do we want to end up like they were?

Yes. Its a matter of evaluating talent. Bowing to Raiola doesn`t mean you will be extorted for him all times. It means that the player is so talented it is worthy, like Pogba.

But of course we should avoid doing business with him in a regular basis. Do the exception only when it`s an outstanding talent.