Paulo Dybala (163 Viewers)

Legend or Rookie? ***non-official poll***


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PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Really hope all this hype pays off, clearly the management and majority here see something that I just don't. That said I had doubts with some of the previous signings and they turned out Ok.. we need that little more than Ok from dybala, no pressure.
 

Knowah

Pool's Closed Due to Aids
Jan 28, 2013
6,578
He was also fantastic as a 17 year old for Cordoba.

Stop lengthening out his slump. His good form lasted from Round 10 to Round 31. He played in 21 of those matches and had 11 goals and 8 assists. He scored or assisted in 15 of 21 games in that period and was by far Palermo's best player and one of the best players in the league through that stretch.

He's proven that he can be absolutely dominant when he's in form. SO yes, he has proven something. Now he needs to prove he can do this consistently.

You don't get a 21 year old who's proven he can dominate consistently for around 30 mil + some worthless players. Young proven, consistent players like Neymar and James go for 80 mil. If you want to spend only 30-40 mil you have to take a risk.
HAHAHA, stop lengthening his slump? Take his appearances, divide them in half and look at the last half. How am I lengthening his slump? Shit, tell Dybala to stop lengthening his slump. 4 goals in last 17 matches (last half of the season). What am I lengthening about that? The only thing lengthening about his slump is after every game, its adding another game to his slump because, hate to say it, he still performed badly recently.

Round 10 to Round 31? Cherry pick much? How is that a reasonable method of selecting playing time to judge a player? A random selection of games in the middle of the season? Far better what I did where I divided the season in half. Stop cherry picking a selection of games in the middle of the season to lengthen out his streak?

Again, I hope he is successful, I do. But I am a doubter at this point. And my doubts, in my opinion perhaps, are well-founded. I look at him last season and he was awful. I look at his start to this season and he was on fire, a new man, changed. Then you get to the second half of this season and he's cold, very cold. And it's just not goals/assists. It's vision on the field, bad passes, no movement, no connection. I think its the transfer saga, perhaps, of this end of the season and the pressure that has brought about. Who knows?
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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HAHAHA, stop lengthening his slump? Take his appearances, divide them in half and look at the last half. How am I lengthening his slump? $#@!, tell Dybala to stop lengthening his slump. 4 goals in last 17 matches (last half of the season). What am I lengthening about that? The only thing lengthening about his slump is after every game, its adding another game to his slump because, hate to say it, he still performed badly recently.

Round 10 to Round 31? Cherry pick much? How is that a reasonable method of selecting playing time to judge a player? A random selection of games in the middle of the season? Far better what I did where I divided the season in half. Stop cherry picking a selection of games in the middle of the season to lengthen out his streak?

Again, I hope he is successful, I do. But I am a doubter at this point. And my doubts, in my opinion perhaps, are well-founded. I look at him last season and he was awful. I look at his start to this season and he was on fire, a new man, changed. Then you get to the second half of this season and he's cold, very cold. And it's just not goals/assists. It's vision on the field, bad passes, no movement, no connection. I think its the transfer saga, perhaps, of this end of the season and the pressure that has brought about. Who knows?
I chose round 10-31 because that was the period he was in quite good form. His big slumps were a 5 game goalless drought from round 3-7 and a 4 game goalless drought to end the season. But from Round 10-31 he either scored or assisted in 15 of the 21 games he played. And that was his good stretch with 11 goals and 8 assists through that period. He started the season poorly with 2 goals-2 assists in first 9 games, and finished it poorly with 0 goals-0 assists in his last 4 games. But it's my opinion that he was very good throughout the entire round 10-31. From Round 10-21 he was one of the best 3 players in the league, with 9 goals-4 assists in 11 games. Palermo went 11 games unbeaten with him starting through that stretch (they lost game he was injured for). He was fucking brilliant. Then in his next 10 games (round 22-31) he only had 2 goals, but he also had 4 assists. So he wasn't great, but the 4 assists mean he was still doing his bit and playing quite well.

SO yes, I would say he was pretty darn good from Round 10-31.

Anyways. Mostly I agree with you, as I made clear earlier in the thread, I just think you're exaggerating just how unproven he is. He's shown more than you give him credit for. Maybe not much more, but more nonetheless.
 

Knowah

Pool's Closed Due to Aids
Jan 28, 2013
6,578
I chose round 10-31 because that was the period he was in quite good form. His big slumps were a 5 game goalless drought from round 3-7 and a 4 game goalless drought to end the season. But from Round 10-31 he either scored or assisted in 15 of the 21 games he played. And that was his good stretch with 11 goals and 8 assists through that period. He started the season poorly with 2 goals-2 assists in first 9 games, and finished it poorly with 0 goals-0 assists in his last 4 games. But it's my opinion that he was very good throughout the entire round 10-31. From Round 10-21 he was one of the best 3 players in the league, with 9 goals-4 assists in 11 games. Palermo went 11 games unbeaten with him starting through that stretch (they lost game he was injured for). He was $#@!ing brilliant. Then in his next 10 games (round 22-31) he only had 2 goals, but he also had 4 assists. So he wasn't great, but the 4 assists mean he was still doing his bit and playing quite well.

SO yes, I would say he was pretty darn good from Round 10-31.

Anyways. Mostly I agree with you, as I made clear earlier in the thread, I just think you're exaggerating just how unproven he is. He's shown more than you give him credit for. Maybe not much more, but more nonetheless.
Again, but isn't that cherry picking a bit, especially since the midpoint of the season is a natural break and, as such, gives us a break with which to divide and judge his performance? You hear "he had a great first half" or "he really had a great last half of the season" all the time. I think breaking the season down in fixtures that just happen to start right when he started scoring and then end right as he stopped scoring is very suspect in terms of objectively judging his performance over a season.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Again, but isn't that cherry picking a bit, especially since the midpoint of the season is a natural break and, as such, gives us a break with which to divide and judge his performance? You hear "he had a great first half" or "he really had a great last half of the season" all the time. I think breaking the season down in fixtures that just happen to start right when he started scoring and then end right as he stopped scoring is very suspect in terms of objectively judging his performance over a season.
It totally is cherry picking. I'm just trying to show that he wasn't absolutely terrible for the second half of the season. When looked at more specifically through his run of decent---very good form, it started several games into the season and ended with about 8 games left. That's all I'm trying to show... When looked at as a whole, his season should be seen as very good for a 21 year old. Not stupendous, not fantastic, not amazing... but very good. If a 26-27 year old scores 13 with 10 assists each year... he's probably a 15-20 mil player. We're paying quite a bit more for a 21 year old who has done that, because the hope is that he still has much room from improvement... That in the future he will be a 20 goal + 10-15 assist player.

I think it's a risk that we can now afford to take...
 

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