Paulo Dybala (143 Viewers)
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You saved me from making a much longer and more incoherent post
Thing is Zizinho knows all this, but for some reason he cannot make himself to see the downside and limitations of these clearly questionable decisionmaking, and is allways on defense mode even if there is nothing to defend. Like its somehow disloyal to disagree with some the things that have put us in this fairly horrible season so far.
Dont wanna be rude, but it reminds me of the mentality of cult members in a way.
I'm sure Zizi does know it all, too. I also understand his desire to defend the house, and I generally appreciate the 'chin up' mentality, but moderate and specific criticism is totally warranted in situations like these.
Beppe and Allegri have been good for the club, but they're not beyond reproach -- particularly when it's October, and we're a lower half of the table team.
And let's face it, they've made some pretty damn silly statements the past couple of days.
Really? It's not a 'fact' that he's had enough game time, especially when we haven't scored in a couple matches and he's healthy, bud.
It's an opinion, and almost certainly wrong considering the last two scoreless games we played (hugely important games)
It's an opinion, and almost certainly wrong considering the last two scoreless games we played (hugely important games)
so how did the injury affect his playing time around December/January
Llorente wasnt any "better" than he was at the beginning-yep and after the international break we have 2 though games away at Inter and cl, and we had chances to win both. its not like we went from brilliant to terrible in only a week
-agree
-he is not experimenting as much as he is adjusting to the opponent (Inter and Borussia). also, Morata and Cuadrado are playing constantly so the only thing hes adjusting is the striker spot
-Morata plays whenever hes fit, as hes our best forward. the others are competing for 1 spot next to him, and we try to keep all in shape. as season goes, we will see 2 playing more than the other 2 when we improve the chemistry, thats my guess
-we have a bunch of new players, had a lot of injuries and some key players out of form at the beginning. a slow start in those conditions isnt really a big surprise. so far we screwed up only three games. Inter, Napoli and Roma away can hardly be called mistakes. so Udinese loss, Fronsione draw and Chievo draw is where we screwed up. thats 7 pts lost we should have won, its not the end of the world. we can bounce back from that easily. not defending their comments, i have hardly read any of them anyway, but fans are overacting too much.
also, if my fact is not a fact, then some of these arent facts either
not crazyfiring Allegri after 2 months of a crisis would be a move inter would make. also, he definitively has responsibility in this, hes the trainer after all, but people go from spitting on him to worshiping him to spitting on him again in less than a year. hes a great trainer and we should hope he an make the team work as soon as possible rather than calling for his head
Paulo's not some shrinking violet, he absolutely was the reference point for Palermo, he led that team, and would have played damn near every match last season if they hadn't pulled him late while negotiations were underway. He's been playing well, I say you ride that man until he starts to clearly struggle, then you rotate. Right now, Allegri is the one creating extra pressure on Dybala by not playing somebody whose performances so far warrant his inclusion in the lineup.
It should be a meritocracy, yo.
It should be a meritocracy, yo.
damn, cant write so many long posts to everyone.
but ill just say this. we are doing great in cl, we need 1 win in 3 games to qualify, so that draw didnt hurt us that much. also, there is a high chance we wouldnt beat inter away with Dybala either. but hes starting tomorrow according to lineups so lets hop he has a brilliant performance.
ignoring the comments from that joke cusp, he hasnt said anything relevant for a year now. jck too.
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2 tricky ones though, Milan and Torino. Sassuolo away can also get complicated but we need to win all. we have a full squad, no injuries and now is the time to start catching up. 5 wins here would put us back directly in the scudetto race. if we beat Gladbach we are through basically so we should go for a win instead of a more safer approach.
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who and when. i haven't seen anyone on this forum doing this
but ill just say this. we are doing great in cl, we need 1 win in 3 games to qualify, so that draw didnt hurt us that much. also, there is a high chance we wouldnt beat inter away with Dybala either. but hes starting tomorrow according to lineups so lets hop he has a brilliant performance.
ignoring the comments from that joke cusp, he hasnt said anything relevant for a year now. jck too.
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2 tricky ones though, Milan and Torino. Sassuolo away can also get complicated but we need to win all. we have a full squad, no injuries and now is the time to start catching up. 5 wins here would put us back directly in the scudetto race. if we beat Gladbach we are through basically so we should go for a win instead of a more safer approach.
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who and when. i haven't seen anyone on this forum doing this
he has most games and minutes played out of our forwards, which considering the quality gaps between them is enough game time. you could complain about Allegris tactical choices and say we had a better chance to win those with Dybala but not lack of playing time. also, would you say for sure that we would have won those 2 games with Dybala starting. what if we lost both with Dybala, what would peoples reaction towards Allegri be
so how did the injury affect his playing time around December/January Llorente wasnt any "better" than he was at the beginning
so how did the injury affect his playing time around December/January
Llorente wasnt any "better" than he was at the beginning
Of course I can't say we would have for sure won, but I use a lot of qualifiers like 'probably', 'almost certainly', etc., in these posts. We could not have scored less, that I know for certain, which tends to support my argument more than yours. Right?Llorente actually had a pretty good year the year before, he was an important part of the team in Max's eyes, and a great professional. So it's a little easier to understand a slower integration even once Morata was fit. By that time, results were going our way, also.
Remember, it was also Álvaro's first year in the league, in the country, so it's a little different in that respect, also. I was certainly calling for Álvaro early.
Well, we certainly weren't very good in attack the past two matches! We should have clearly WON both those games, IMO. Wins are crucial right now.
The point I was trying to make was not that we went instantly from amazing to terrible, but that he seemed to toss aside a lot of the progress, a lot of the momentum we were creating up front. We need continuity right now, no way around it.
This is one way to look at it. My thoughts on the matter, however, is that he has been largely outthinking himself by shifting the forwards around. Against Inter, in such a huge match, I just don't understand how a manager benches one of his top performers. Then, after we fail to score or create much, he's playing an unfit Mandzukic because he wants to counter physicality with physicality. That didn't work at all, but it's not surprising when the player isn't match fit.
Overthinking things. He should be forcing that significantly inferior BM squad to adapt to OUR successful tactics (those employed just before the international break), not the other way around. We're Juventus and they're BM, ffs.
The other two forwards are not complementary pieces to Morata. All of those guys largely wanted to occupy the same spaces on the field, they offer very little interplay with Álvaro, and we end up moving him out of his preferred position. This is largely Beppe's fault for not securing complementary pieces in the first place, but it is what it is. Right now, 2 of our forwards have already demonstrated some growing chemistry together, and those guys should be played together. Álvaro and Paulo are clearly our best forwards.
Well, I guess we disagree on some of this. The midfield injury crisis was huge, of course. Obviously Udinese, Frosinone and Chievo results are not indicative of the quality on the roster, but other than the game against Napoli, who played really well, I think we should have had the Inter and Roma results (particularly Inter, because the match in Rome was conditioned by our midfield issues).
The comments from management are frustrating, but predictable. Some are overreacting, but I understand the frustration, because I haven't heard either of these individuals really step up and be accountable for their part. Particularly Beppe "we knew Draxler didn't want Italy in July, but still didn't secure a proper AM" Marotta.
also, if my fact is not a fact, then some of these arent facts either
maaaaybe...
not crazyfiring Allegri after 2 months of a crisis would be a move inter would make. also, he definitively has responsibility in this, hes the trainer after all, but people go from spitting on him to worshiping him to spitting on him again in less than a year. hes a great trainer and we should hope he an make the team work as soon as possible rather than calling for his head
There's a difference between burning somebody out, and playing a young, healthy forward a lot because he's performing well. It's early, and Dybala has energy to spare right now. I also think that this is a kid who will thrive on that responsibility. We've seen the way Allegri has sat him in a number of important matches, and that's a HUGE problem when he's clearly such an important part of our attack.
Look at the number of goals we've scored so far, Zizi, barely one a game. No excuse for that, and no legitimate excuse to keep this kid on the bench right now, imo.
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And no worry about a long reply, bud. I'm going to be offline this aft, but have a nice day.
Its true that he shouldnt start every match as he isnt there yet but IMO from our attackers Dybala Morata are the best pairing followed by Zaza Morata while I`m very disappointed with Mandzukic!
Zaza has that strength in him which help us get forward while I do expect him to do better in front of goal!
Dybala can dribble while he is given space but he should learn how to be an expert when he doesnt as in serie a you dont get space!
I`d play Dybala-Morata and try to make it work and if by January it doesnt pay off we should look to sign some forward who can make it pay off!
Zaza has that strength in him which help us get forward while I do expect him to do better in front of goal!
Dybala can dribble while he is given space but he should learn how to be an expert when he doesnt as in serie a you dont get space!
I`d play Dybala-Morata and try to make it work and if by January it doesnt pay off we should look to sign some forward who can make it pay off!
imo we should either play 4-3-3 with a front 3 made by Morata-Dybala-Cuadrado or 4-3-1-2 with Pereyra behind Morata and Dybala.
Point is Dybala should always play as he is the only one able to keep the ball and dribble a bit.
Mandzukic is a header or small box man While Zaza is a lone striker that need wingers to be effective.
Point is Dybala should always play as he is the only one able to keep the ball and dribble a bit.
Mandzukic is a header or small box man While Zaza is a lone striker that need wingers to be effective.
