Paulo Dybala (145 Viewers)

[Nedved96]

did you know Dybala is the best player we have had for the last 4/5 years?

I will go one step further.

Dybala vs Barcelona at home (2017) was the best performance from any Juventus player in a big Champions League game since Nedved vs Real Madrid in 2003



Thoughts @Dru

 

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[.zero]

I will go one step further.

Dybala vs Barcelona at home (2017) was the best performance from any Juventus player in a big Champions League game since Nedved vs Real Madrid in 2003



Thoughts @Dru

Del Piero at Madrid in 2008 (I know it was group stage)

But other than his one big appearance in that QF against Barça (which was undoubtably impressive) he hasn't offered much since. You can make the claim for the 2nd leg against Tottenham in 2018 but it wouldn't be that strong.

Either way, I want him to thrive here and ball the fuck out. But it just hasn't been happening at a regular rate of occurrence. We can make all the excuses we want but superior talent out shines any situation, formation, tactic, marking, etc. Greatness has a way of always breaking through.

 

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Del Piero at Madrid in 2008 (I know it was group stage)

But other than his one big appearance in that QF against Barça (which was undoubtably impressive) he hasn't offered much since. You can make the claim for the 2nd leg against Tottenham in 2018 but it wouldn't be that strong.

Either way, I want him to thrive here and ball the fuck out. But it just hasn't been happening at a regular rate of occurrence. We can make all the excuses we want but superior talent out shines any situation, formation, tactic, marking, etc. Greatness has a way of always breaking through.

hes playing as a FW now so doubt him at your own peril.

 

[Post Ironic]

I will go one step further.

Dybala vs Barcelona at home (2017) was the best performance from any Juventus player in a big Champions League game since Nedved vs Real Madrid in 2003



Thoughts @Dru

Nah. Ronaldo last year against Atletico was easily as, if not more, impressive. Especially given the situation of being down 2-0 against a defensive mastermind in Simeone.

Also, Pjanic’s performance in the 0-0 at Camp Nou in 2017 was a major reason Barca never looked close to another “remontada”. 8 tackles - 5 interceptions - 3 clearances - 3 key passes. Monster defensive performance in a 2 man mid.

You could also take Dani Alves against Monaco in the SFs. Put in two amazing performances.

Chiellini away against Spurs in 2018 in the 2-1 win. Higuain in this match too with the goal and assist.

Mandzukic away against Madrid in 2018 in the 3-1 win.

etc etc. We had tons of fantastic individual CL knockout game performances in the Allegri era from various players. Dybala is obviously one of those players. Hopefully we see more of the same this winter/spring.

 

[Nedved96]

Nah. Ronaldo last year against Atletico was easily as, if not more, impressive. Especially given the situation of being down 2-0 against a defensive mastermind in Simeone.

All the performances you listed happened after though. What I mean Dybala’s game against Barcelona at home, at that point in time, was the best game from a Juve player since Nedved vs Real.

Ronaldo vs Atletico and Mandzukic vs Real are two games that I would put on par with Dybala vs Barcelona.

 

[Post Ironic]

All the performances you listed happened after. What I mean Dybala’s game against Barcelona at home, at that point in time, was the best game from a Juve player since Nedved vs Real.

Ronaldo vs Atletico and Mandzukic vs Real are two games that I would put on par with Dybala vs Barcelona.

Thought you meant up until now. Agree with you for the most part then. 2014/15 had fantastic team performances in the knockouts more so than individual brilliance, though one could make an argument that some of Tevez’s performances were on that level. Same deal with Morata and Cuadrado in the 2nd leg against Bayern 2016.

 

[Mr Chocolate]

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[Afghan_juventus]

For me the best CL performances over the last few years are:

2014/15:
Marchisio vs Borussia Dortmund (away)
Tevez vs Borussia Dortmund (away)
MVP vs Real Madrid (home)
Marchisio vs Barcelona (final)

2015/16:
Mandzukic vs Bayern Munic (home)
Pogba vs Bayern Munich (away)
Cuadrado vs Bayern Munich (away)

2016/17:
Dybala vs Barcelona (home)
Buffon vs Barcelona (home)
Bonucci and Chiellini vs Barcelona (away)
Pjanic vs Barcelona (away)
Cuadrado vs Barcelona (away)
Alves vs Monaco (home)
Higuain vs Monaco (home)

2017/18:
Mandzukic vs Real Madrid (away)

2018/19:
Ronaldo vs Atletico Madrid (home)

 

[Hust]

All the performances you listed happened after though. What I mean Dybala’s game against Barcelona at home, at that point in time, was the best game from a Juve player since Nedved vs Real.

Ronaldo vs Atletico and Mandzukic vs Real are two games that I would put on par with Dybala vs Barcelona.

You said of the last 4/5 years. That includes Ronaldo.

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Nah. Ronaldo last year against Atletico was easily as, if not more, impressive. Especially given the situation of being down 2-0 against a defensive mastermind in Simeone.

Also, Pjanic’s performance in the 0-0 at Camp Nou in 2017 was a major reason Barca never looked close to another “remontada”. 8 tackles - 5 interceptions - 3 clearances - 3 key passes. Monster defensive performance in a 2 man mid.

You could also take Dani Alves against Monaco in the SFs. Put in two amazing performances.

Chiellini away against Spurs in 2018 in the 2-1 win. Higuain in this match too with the goal and assist.

Mandzukic away against Madrid in 2018 in the 3-1 win.

etc etc. We had tons of fantastic individual CL knockout game performances in the Allegri era from various players. Dybala is obviously one of those players. Hopefully we see more of the same this winter/spring.

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Del Piero at Madrid in 2008 (I know it was group stage)

But other than his one big appearance in that QF against Barça (which was undoubtably impressive) he hasn't offered much since. You can make the claim for the 2nd leg against Tottenham in 2018 but it wouldn't be that strong.

Either way, I want him to thrive here and ball the fuck out. But it just hasn't been happening at a regular rate of occurrence. We can make all the excuses we want but superior talent out shines any situation, formation, tactic, marking, etc. Greatness has a way of always breaking through.

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hes playing as a FW now so doubt him at your own peril.

I agree here. Can't get any more excuses if being played out of position. I hope he continues to shine. He is definitely picking up steam so lets all pray he drags this into the later stages of the CL.

 

[Nedved96]

You said of the last 4/5 years. That includes Ronaldo.

Dybala has done more for Juventus than Ronaldo

I don’t even think that’s controversial.

 

[Hust]

Uh. Thats because one has been here longer than the other.

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I guess with that logic Kean was a more prolific goalscorer than Dybala.

 

[Nedved96]

Uh. Thats because one has been here longer than the other.

Well yes. How can Ronaldo be our best player of the last 4-5 years if he’s only been here for one year?

 

[X Æ A-12]

How can Ronaldo be our best player of the last 4-5 years if he’s only been here for one year?

how can he take all the freekicks when he isnt even the 3rd or 4th best at them?

 

[Nedved96]

No, but they also played equally well in either a 3 man backline or a 4 man backline and performed well without blinking an eye.

Yeah, because that’s the same as a forward being forced to play in midfield.

Again, none of our defenders would perform any better in midfield than Dybala would, because it’s not his natural position.

In 15/16, 16/17, and 17/18 Dybala basically had three seasons in a row where he was our biggest goal threat and most creative player rolled into one.

We played our worst football by far in the second half of 2018/19, which was coincidentally the worst form of Dybala’s career. Coincidence? Nope, we have been reliant on his creativity for years.

We were relegation form in the first 10 games of 2015/16, and our season turned around when Allegri integrated Dybala in the team.

 

[Hust]

Sorry man, our teams have always been built on a solid back line, not the other way around. Twist it anyway you want, but your own shitty argument you have used in the past of "historical context" ends up proving you wrong anyway. History will remember our back line and defense during this 8+ year run of titles wayyyyyy before it does Dybala during his current time here. Unless Dybala turns into Messi, I don't see how that will change.

 

[Andrea_Pirlo_10]

Ronaldo Higuain Costa should be our front trio. Dybala is a perfect sub player.

 

[Hust]

 

[Nedved96]

Sorry man, our teams have always been built on a solid back line, not the other way around. Twist it anyway you want, but your own shitty argument you have used in the past of "historical context" ends up proving you wrong anyway. History will remember our back line and defense during this 8+ year run of titles wayyyyyy before it does Dybala during his current time here. Unless Dybala turns into Messi, I don't see how that will change.

None of what you said really disproves what I said.

Dybala and our defenders have both been very important in the last 4 years, just in different ways. It’s a convenient argument for you because there’s no way to directly compare the importance of a defender to an attacker.

What I will say, is that being a defender makes you more of a system player than being an attacker. We didn’t really lose anything when we replaced Bonucci with Benatia in 2017/18. Defence is more about the unit than the individual.

Dybala’s job is more difficult and requires more unadulterated talent.

 

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[Hust]

None of what you said really disproves what I said.

Dybala and our defenders have both been very important in the last 4 years, just in different ways. It’s a convenient argument for you because there’s no way to directly compare the importance of a defender to an attacker.

What I will say, is that being a defender makes you more of a system player than being an attacker. We didn’t really lose anything when we replaced Bonucci with Benatia in 2017/18. Defence is more about the unit than the individual.

Dybala’s job is more difficult and requires more unadulterated talent.

You're taking on water, mate. If there is no way to directly compare the importance of a defender to an attacker than how the hell can you claim that an attacker is better than everyone else including defeners if you cant compare the importance to the team between them?

Secondly, our defenders through their own individual brilliance including Buffon have all made amazing interventions/tackles where goals would have been imminent games/points lost. Europe feared playing us because of our defense, not because of Dybalas moments of brilliance and/or unadulterated talent as you indicated.

You really dug yoruself a hole here. I can't believe you completely discredited the talents those CBs have because they don't have fancy foot skills. I can tell you all 4 of them can read a game and the entire movement of an opposition team better than Dybala could. Also, when it comes to pressure I'd also wager to say they are better.

You're getting lost in your own sauce lol