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Mokku

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2019
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So up front people are happy with Ronaldo, Costa, Berna, Mandzukic and Higuain? You want to talk about Dybala being slow when Mandzukic and Higuain are in the same spot? If you have to pick the best 3 then Dybala is there but people think we have Neymar and Icardi to replace him immediately? If Dybala goes then that's it. Go win your Champions League with Higuain leading the line. Madness.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,710
So up front people are happy with Ronaldo, Costa, Berna, Mandzukic and Higuain? You want to talk about Dybala being slow when Mandzukic and Higuain are in the same spot? If you have to pick the best 3 then Dybala is there but people think we have Neymar and Icardi to replace him immediately? If Dybala goes then that's it. Go win your Champions League with Higuain leading the line. Madness.
We will not win the CL with dybala leading the line either.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
62,568
He scores big goal in CL final, and thats great, but you whats not so great? Going 4 and 5 months without scoring. Every season lately basically.
When we played him on the left then it surely wasn't his main duty to score goals, but to balance out the formation. Not saying he didn't regress, But not compatible with football? Pls. :howler:
 

DS8_Montero

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Aug 10, 2018
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Pjanic scored 21 goals in Serie A in his last 3 seasons in Rome and only 12 goals in Serie A in his first 3 seasons in Turin. Is it because he regressed or because at his new club he's got a less attacking position than he had at the old club?
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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Pjanic scored 21 goals in Serie A in his last 3 seasons in Rome and only 12 goals in Serie A in his first 3 seasons in Turin. Is it because he regressed or because at his new club he's got a less attacking position than he had at the old club?
I think because for your 2nd reason, your 1rst reason happened.
 

DS8_Montero

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2018
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The management failed to collect a proper midfield, Dybala was used as a solution to fix it and because of this scored less, and now he's responsible for his lowered productivity up front. Along with Allegri, of course. Great :tup:.
I think because for your 2nd reason, your 1rst reason happened.
Not sure Pjanic regressed. He became a much more versatile player, that's for sure. Besides, he personally said that he liked his new role because now he understands football much better (or something like that). Anyway, as I understand it, Sarri sees him at the position comparable with the one he had in Allegri's formation, so not only Allegri saw him there.
 
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pavelnel

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2006
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When we played him on the left then it surely wasn't his main duty to score goals, but to balance out the formation. Not saying he didn't regress, But not compatible with football? Pls. :howler:
I am exaggerating of course but his positive contribution to the team has been decreasing rapidly in the last two years. He is 33 years old one dimensional player and him staying instead of Dybala is a criminal offence.
 
Mar 3, 2014
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Re: Neymar and how he would fit with CR7, I put something together comparing Neymar, Dybala, and CR7.
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A few things are clear:
In a 4-3-3, Dybala is utter crap. Whether he plays wing or centrally, he has performed badly. Despite consensus here than Dybala played mostly as a CAM, in fact, he played more games last year as a CF in a 4-3-3 with Ronaldo. He also played a few games on the RW. He average .44 in total production in that formation. Ronaldo and Neymar can both play in a central role or in a wide role of a 4-3-3, and put up fairly similar. Neymar as a false 9 in Barcelona put up an 6 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in that position when Messi was injured in 13/14. CR7 put up similar performance whether playing centrally or wide left.

In a front 2, Dybala thrives with .82 in production per game. This includes his times playing there this past season, the 4-2-3-1 of 2 years ago, but not that of 3 years ago because he played more like an AM since Mandzukic was on the LW. 2 years ago it was mostly actual wingers and he played closer to Higuain. CR7 & Neymar both produce at similar levels in a front 2, but Neymar scores more.

As an attacking mid, Neymar was very good but only played 3 games. Dybala is bad generally. He is better in a 4-2-3-1 because there are fewer attackers, but if he is playing behind 2 scorers, he basically doesn't produce at all.

2 Conclusions:
if by some miracle we actually do get Neymar, he will work with Cristiano. They can freely interchange between central and left positions, and both will be effective. With Dybala, it looks like we'd be better off with a 4-3-1-2 with Dybala as a striker. A 4-3-3 with Dybala playing centrally looks challenging unless Sarri's system can bring out something unseen before.
I posted this another thread. This shows how much of specialist Dybala is - he's effective but only in the right role.
 
Mar 3, 2014
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We will not win the CL with dybala leading the line either.
Agreed, unless Sarri’s tactics change how he play the role. He is abysmal in 4-3-3s. He played as a striker 10x last year in a 4-3-3 and scored 2 goals. Higuaín for all the shit that he gets is miles better in that role historically. That’s just a fact. I’d love for Dybala to turn into an incredible cf or false 9 in a front 3, but if we’re talking historically - he has never played well in that role.


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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
59,264
When we played him on the left then it surely wasn't his main duty to score goals, but to balance out the formation. Not saying he didn't regress, But not compatible with football? Pls. :howler:
He was moved from CF to begin with because he wasnt effective or good enough to get much minutes there anymore, was about to be sold back then. LW fit in well for a strong tactical need, but now that he has become absolete there too now (takes too much and he has clearly declined). He is moved back to the old CF role, he has to be judged on goals mainly (especially since his work ethic is lower then before) first half of the season looked good, promising. But since then it's back to the old CF he used to be, not effective enough scorer to get much minutes and stay in the club.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,710
He was moved from CF to begin with because he wasnt effective or good enough to get much minutes there anymore, was about to be sold back then. LW fit in well for a strong tactical need, but now that he has become absolete there too now (takes too much and he has clearly declined). He is moved back to the old CF role, he has to be judged on goals mainly (especially since his work ethic is lower then before) first half of the season looked good, promising. But since then it's back to the old CF he used to be, not effective enough scorer to get much minutes and stay in the club.
Practically this. He is in a limbo.

Too old and inadequate for LW, and obsolete as CF.

The season he worked as LW, was mainly because his desperation to not be benched by higuain, who fueled his will to deliver. Now he is older and not interested in playing that role, and even his infamous workrate is not impactful as CF because tbh he doesnt work his ass off like he used to be

Not to mention ronldo.
 

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