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Though legit Raiola quotes. He has to be one of the most despicable agents in the game. If he truly cared about his client, he would do whats best, and let him grow further before pimping him like a whorry mother panda. All he cares about his is 20% cut. Fuck him.
Looks like it. I guess Allegri will now get his european standard AM, and it better not be Oscar. Realistically speaking I see the deal stand at 80m plus Morata.
Na, bruv, would choose Pogba every time, and honestly, you can see how badly he wants to be the greatest player on the pitch. We will lose a lot when he leaves immediately speaking, but i guess in the long run, we'll have closure coz the team will remain balanced. Im wondering if Kante is an option.
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I disagree with those who say that its better to sell to Madrid after the ban. If we are going to sell, there's no better time, coz they know they're desperate and will have to break the bank given no outgoing money next season.
Looks like it. I guess Allegri will now get his european standard AM, and it better not be Oscar. Realistically speaking I see the deal stand at 80m plus Morata.
Na, bruv, would choose Pogba every time, and honestly, you can see how badly he wants to be the greatest player on the pitch. We will lose a lot when he leaves immediately speaking, but i guess in the long run, we'll have closure coz the team will remain balanced. Im wondering if Kante is an option.
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I disagree with those who say that its better to sell to Madrid after the ban. If we are going to sell, there's no better time, coz they know they're desperate and will have to break the bank given no outgoing money next season.
How so? He told him to leave UTD and brought him to Juve where he will get lots of game time and faith from the coach and he did. His value sky rocketed since then and a lot of the hype behind the crazy valuation is down to Raiola's great PR. Now if he does sell him, he is selling him as the most expensive player in the history of the game to the biggest club in the world, probably for a crazy salary, playing under his icon Zidane and boosting his marketability ten fold. He is doing a perfect job for Pogba.
I am sure Juve is more than happy with Raiola. As fans we dont want to see our star player leave but as a club Pogba has been an insane piece of business.
I still don't think he is leaving.
I am sure Juve is more than happy with Raiola. As fans we dont want to see our star player leave but as a club Pogba has been an insane piece of business.
I still don't think he is leaving.
On paper, everything you say does make sense. But you scratch the surface beyond that point, and I can see a lack of continuity, pressure and a volatile environment. Pogs is still not even 25 years old and he wants to take him to a club where even the likes of CR7 get booed after one poor match day. Of course, theres real wages and money wages, and as far as the money is concerned, great job on that front Mino. But really, do you think he's going to tuck away all his time at Juve to move for Zidane, who most likely won't even be around post christmas?
The player himself has more than a decade of top class football in him, there's plenty of time to make that one big money smashing move. As things stand, he's not poorly compensated, is already at a top 5 club, is the mainstay, part of a serious project where he is going to grow with continuity and without media scrutiny in the same manner, so that his game and mentality grow to a point that it will be sustainable when the spotlight turns on in Madrid.
It's clear as day, Raiola has itchy feet to make this deal happen predominantly for that rumoured 20% cut which is what adds the PR impetus we spoke about. He knows it himself. Everyone knows the opportunity is now because of the Madrid transfer ban next season - a year they'll pay crazy money, but not the year thats ideal for Pogba the football player to move.
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You can see the trade off. Our attack will be set for years to come, and Pjanic goes some way in negating the loss of Pogba in that midfield, even though they have different roles. The 80m plus sales is where we will plug the world class AM gaps, the box to box CM and a defender like Benatia to close out the mercato, while registering a profit perhaps. Stash away more cash to go big on the defense, right wing and GK next season, while replenishing the injury hit areas in depth, along the way.
So you think he is not good enough to tear shit up at Madrid yet. I tend to agree with that sentiment. He needs more consistency to be one of the very best. Most people here wont agree though there were people saying he is already a level above every other player in the world.
If he is good enough now then I dont see why he should wait for the big bucks and the big spotlight and possible ballon D'ors. The more time spent at Madrid the better for him as long as he is confident he will perform. I think he can still grow more with this Juve and maybe have another go at the CL before he is ready for the big spotlight. I think he still doesnt grab games by the neck consistently enough but he will eventually get there.
If he is good enough now then I dont see why he should wait for the big bucks and the big spotlight and possible ballon D'ors. The more time spent at Madrid the better for him as long as he is confident he will perform. I think he can still grow more with this Juve and maybe have another go at the CL before he is ready for the big spotlight. I think he still doesnt grab games by the neck consistently enough but he will eventually get there.
The argument works both ways, stay at this Juve, with an above average chance of winning the CL as part of the best midfield in europe, and getting that much closer to the ballon d'or or move to the unstable terrain that comes with Madrid - especially after they've achieved the highest success at club level. And will continue demanding it as they whimsically run through a plethora of coaching options every two years, while buying the shiniest new players on the continent to go with it. Continuity is key when developing talent, mentality and performance, the combination that really unlocks greatness in sport.
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Pjanic is nowhere near the level of Pogba's athleticism which is a game changing attribute, in the midfield. I think he's an amazing mid, but he doesn't add the engine to the midfield the way a Pogba does.
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Pjanic is nowhere near the level of Pogba's athleticism which is a game changing attribute, in the midfield. I think he's an amazing mid, but he doesn't add the engine to the midfield the way a Pogba does.
.Yes he is a manager but when he wants to sell the player he will do absolutely everything to do that.Remember Ibrahimovic selling to Inter when we were relegated.He was telling him not to go at training sessions and also pushed Nedved(also his client and Ibrahimovic roommate ) to publicly state that if someone wants to leave ,the club should allow him.Last few years he was quiet also because we silenced him with a 4 mil.bonus after Pogba renewed improved contract with us.If he smells blood he will push the transfer till the end on every possible way.i'm not underestimating pjanic by saying he's inferior to pogba. i have nothing against pjanic, i'm pleased that he's our player.
it's just obvious to me that pogba is the brightest midfielder talent since zidane and already one of the best in the world. losing him and replacing him with anyone is a setback, period.
it's just obvious to me that pogba is the brightest midfielder talent since zidane and already one of the best in the world. losing him and replacing him with anyone is a setback, period.
I love Pogba and all, but we will loose him sooner or later and if we can get James, Morata and Kovacic plus maybe some cash for him then I would do this. When he is in the mood he can be one of the best, but really I fail to see his best in the most important matches, the best I can remember is assist vs City.
It strikes me how people highly underestimate Pogba's influence to our game. Our style and system are partly built around his characteristics. He offers so much attacking drive and strength that probably no other midfielder could offer. He is a key factor ball possession wise because he is constantly the one creating things from midfield. No amount of money or players, such as Kroos or James, could cover the gap he would leave. Yes, we would get a huge sum of money, but realistically, who would we purchase with that amount of money? Our primary targets would probably be Andre Gomes and a trequartista, which requires us to change to a formation that we saw for the last time when Pirlo, Vidal, and Tevez were still on our roster. This would put a huge emphasis and responsibility on our trequartista, and I can't see Juventus buying that a player that can cope with it. Without Pogba, you'd never now how the characteristics of the remaining midfielders could match and we would simply lose too much. I agree that Dybala is fundamental to our play, but you can never compare the importance of an attacker to an midfielder's, especially as we've never really been without Pogba for a long spell (apart from last year). Marketing wise if would be a more idiotic move because Pogba is currently, without a doubt, one of the top 5 recognized players and attracts a huge fan base.
However, having said all that, I still don't believe a single bit of the rumours and expect him to stay.
However, having said all that, I still don't believe a single bit of the rumours and expect him to stay.
To all the people who are going to mention the zidane transfer:
Tottenham did well with the bale money didn't they?
Zidane was 29.. And Italy was the best league in the world back then..
If we get 120M. Who are we going to buy? Higuain? Nope... Any other world class players in Italy? Nope...
Keep pogba.. Give him a M or two more a year and keep going in the direction we are going... Nobody is capable of filling pogba's shoes.. Not only is he a god damn good midfielder.. He has something that not every good player has.. If you ask someone between the age of 5 - 12 to name a juve player they'll name pogba.. He is marketable as fuck.. And that is worth more than the money gay-all Madrid will pay
Tottenham did well with the bale money didn't they?
Zidane was 29.. And Italy was the best league in the world back then..
If we get 120M. Who are we going to buy? Higuain? Nope... Any other world class players in Italy? Nope...
Keep pogba.. Give him a M or two more a year and keep going in the direction we are going... Nobody is capable of filling pogba's shoes.. Not only is he a god damn good midfielder.. He has something that not every good player has.. If you ask someone between the age of 5 - 12 to name a juve player they'll name pogba.. He is marketable as fuck.. And that is worth more than the money gay-all Madrid will pay
I really can't understand why people before raiola came out were so convinced that he was staying. Can we put up a vbet on this. his a goner.
I think raiola played his cards well, he knows what pogba is all about and with his poor performance in Europe it seems he thinks this is his best chance to sell. Pogba as X said can get frustrated and petulant. When the heat is on, he cracks. Of course his improving in other areas but I personally feel it's the right time for him to move on.
I think raiola played his cards well, he knows what pogba is all about and with his poor performance in Europe it seems he thinks this is his best chance to sell. Pogba as X said can get frustrated and petulant. When the heat is on, he cracks. Of course his improving in other areas but I personally feel it's the right time for him to move on.
A player is much more likely to win the ballon d'or with Madrid than with Juve. The award is not an objective measure of performance. Hype is a huge part of it and Madrid are the kings of hype. Vidal today is getting much more recognition than he did with us because of playing for a club that is under the spotlight more than Juve.
In any case, there is no way Raiola is harming Pogba's career or has not been looking after his client. Juve's project is becoming increasingly more attractive but Madrid is Madrid thats the strongest brand out there. Madrid is a step up and according to most here (not me) Pogba is a level above anything that plays for Madrid now. If he is ready for Madrid's spotlight then it makes good career sense to go.
In any case, there is no way Raiola is harming Pogba's career or has not been looking after his client. Juve's project is becoming increasingly more attractive but Madrid is Madrid thats the strongest brand out there. Madrid is a step up and according to most here (not me) Pogba is a level above anything that plays for Madrid now. If he is ready for Madrid's spotlight then it makes good career sense to go.