Paul Pogba (167 Viewers)

[Rollie]

It's rather interesting to see people over there choosing Pogba instead of their home grown player. Many are aware of Pogba's importance for our future success. All that "came from our ranks" bs counts to nothing in the end when the difference in class is notable. It seems to me that there is more bias over here for Italian players. Now don't get me wrong I like Italy and cheer for them on a big stage and in the process have witnessed generations of great Italian players but it's at the same time annoying to see a truly average football player labeled as a champion. Words like "champion", "irreplaceable", "future captain" are thrown around way too easily these days. Apparently it's enough to have pretty face, decent football skills and you'll be touted as one.

It's important to simply recognize that Marchisio has been a fundamental part of this squad for several years now, and the other players that we had during those years didn't deserve to start ahead of him. Pogba has the makings of a truly world class player, but in our structured system he wasn't good enough to bench players like Pirlo or Marchisio last year - just rotate with them, to the tune of 37 games or whatever. That's huge experience, and it's a huge statement by Conte to give a 19 y/o that much playing time on a Scudetto winning, CL contending team.

Conte has already said that he expects Pogba to "explode" this season, I don't think you're going to have to worry about the man getting serious playing time, and maybe even stealing a first 11 spot. In the meantime, hopefully you're not one of those people who feels the need to go into Claudio's thread every couple of days and flame the guy, just cause there's a player you like more in the team, or because some other forum member has disrespected the player you like, and that's how you want to get even. Marchisio has defended our colours honourably, and with integrity; he has helped pull us up out of the dark years. He deserves respect.

Also, between you and me, Marchisio is a champion, bud (back2back Scudetti), and it's obviously quite important that a few of our homegrown ranks make it to the big club; financially speaking, this can be huge (although if they don't make the grade, by all means, sell them for a profit - for example, it's well past time PDC went).

 

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[Vlad]

It's important to simply recognize that Marchisio has been a fundamental part of this squad for several years now, and the other players that we had during those years didn't deserve to start ahead of him. Pogba has the makings of a truly world class player, but in our structured system he wasn't good enough to bench players like Pirlo or Marchisio last year - just rotate with them, to the tune of 37 games or whatever. That's huge experience, and it's a huge statement by Conte to give a 19 y/o that much playing time on a Scudetto winning, CL contending team.

Also, between you and me, Marchisio is a champion, bud (back2back Scudetti), and it's obviously quite important that a few of our homegrown ranks make it to the big club; financially speaking, this can be huge (although if they don't make the grade, by all means, sell them for a profit - for example, it's well past time PDC went).

Fundamental? Vidal was fundamental. Pirlo, Chiellini, Barzagli as well but Marchisio? Does fundamental mean being part of the first team? He had good games in the past 2 seasons. Some nice performances during that spell. I'm not disputing that. Has he been consistent in that time? Has he preformed on a certain level week in week out? Has he been the player on whom you could with an absolute certainty depend upon. If the answer is yes on any of these questions then he could be labeled as a champion. Sadly for his fans reality is somewhat different. Champions are the driving force of any club. Pillars of successful team. When you need them the most they step up. The higher obstacle they run into the more motivated they become. Del Piero, Zidane, Davids, Nedved, Trezeguet, Montero, Ferrara, etc were champions. Is Marchisio in that category? Decent football player nonetheless but certainly not a champion. Legend I hear by some. Laughable. No other words for that silliness.

In the meantime, hopefully you're not one of those people who feels the need to go into Claudio's thread every couple of days and flame the guy, just cause there's a player you like more in the team, or because some other forum member has disrespected the player you like, and that's how you want to get even. Marchisio has defended our colours honourably, and with integrity; he has helped pull us up out of the dark years. He deserves respect.

Yes I stepped out of line few times and mostly due to irritation of exaggeration shown in his thread. I hope you didn't take my words by heart as some members did. I have some players in this squad that I like. It's natural as we all do but not to a degree that I would feel hurt if some of them gets left out. Long gone are the times of that. Only Baggio and Del Piero could bring that kind of emotion in me. Champions.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

You need to look up what champion means.

 

[Vlad]

Well I could say the same for you. What's the point of your remark other than mocking other member?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

To point out that you're wrong that he's not a champion...

 

[Vlad]

To point out that you're wrong that he's not a champion...

That's what you think. Your opinion you're entitled to. I think differently.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

That's why you need to look up the definition. It's not opinion, it's fact.

 

[Vlad]

Whatever. It's pointless discussion. You only need pair of eyes and good judgment to recognize one. And spare me of your silly remarks. You can take it on Marchisio's thread or to someone more interested.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

That's all, just had to correct you there.

 

[Hydde]

Well....winning silverware witha team makes u a "champion"... just like bendtner.

 

[Vlad]

Much appreciated World boss. :wink:

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Well....winning silverware witha team makes u a "champion"... just like bendtner.

Exactly, not a difficult concept.

 

[Klin]

Even Bonucci is a champion, unlike Ogbonna.

 

[Hist]

Marchisio would walk into Inter, City, United, Tottenham, Liverpool, Napoli, Milan, Arsenal,Monaco, PSG and arguably chelsea's midfield. He could also put up a great fight against Khedira. He is by no means a bad player or even a mediocre one. There arent many better CMs out there.

 

[Vlad]

That's why we've received so may lucrative offers for him lately.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Oh god!!!

 

[Nzoric]

 

[Vlad]

Jel derpe ovaj Quetz?

 

[Lion]

Oh god!!!

uhh it's true.


if he is goinn to walk into half of europe's top clubs then half of europe's top clubs would be chasing after him.

you think all the guys chase after the hot girl or the ugly one?

 

[Rollie]

Fundamental? Vidal was fundamental. Pirlo, Chiellini, Barzagli as well but Marchisio? Does fundamental mean being part of the first team? He had good games in the past 2 seasons. Some nice performances during that spell. I'm not disputing that. Has he been consistent in that time? Has he preformed on a certain level week in week out? Has he been the player on whom you could with an absolute certainty depend upon. If the answer is yes on any of these questions then he could be labeled as a champion. Sadly for his fans reality is somewhat different. Champions are the driving force of any club. Pillars of successful team. When you need them the most they step up. The higher obstacle they run into the more motivated they become. Del Piero, Zidane, Davids, Nedved, Trezeguet, Montero, Ferrara, etc were champions. Is Marchisio in that category? Decent football player nonetheless but certainly not a champion. Legend I hear by some. Laughable. No other words for that silliness.

Wow, somebody's really gotten to you, yeah? Somebody who's was trashing Vidal, maybe? Although I can't think of why any Juve fan in their right mind would do that.

Marchisio's definitely been fundamental, as in one of the first names on the coach's team sheet, game in and game out; this is a player who has been through the dark days with the club, and a man who has played a very significant role in Juventus' return to domestic glory. Juventus' managers have always been able to trust Marchisio to do the right thing in matches, in training, and away from the pitch -- he's a true professional. You can see it in the way our previous generation welcomed him into the fold, he's beloved by all our players. He's a guy who will do whatever he's ask to do on the pitch, whether that's friggin' LM, or playing as an AM - he's always up for putting the club first. 2 seasons ago he was very consistent, and outstanding; last year, his performances were obviously more variable, but he is very worthy of this club, and should be starting until another player tears that starting spot from his grasp. It's all about competition at Juve, and we're going to see more midfield rotation starting right now. Pirlo is getting old, Pogba is getting phenomenal - the balance for playing time will sort itself out eventually.

Nobody should be comparing Marchisio to Zidane, or Ale, that's lunacy. People should be appreciating what Claudio's brought to the club, though, and they should also understand just how important it is to our bottom line that Juventus continues to develop some youngsters.

Yes I stepped out of line few times and mostly due to irritation of exaggeration shown in his thread. I hope you didn't take my words by heart as some members did. I have some players in this squad that I like. It's natural as we all do but not to a degree that I would feel hurt if some of them gets left out. Long gone are the times of that. Only Baggio and Del Piero could bring that kind of emotion in me. Champions.

No bud, you didn't hurt my feelings, I didn't know you had been insulting Marchisio in his thread because I don't really go into that thread to post often - especially offseason. I rarely go into the Bonucci or Giovinco threads to post either these days, because I got sick of having to read all the horseshit that spoiled fans were posting about our own goddamn players. People need to get outside, ffs, get some of that aggression out in other ways. (Edit: that came off a little strong, not intended to be a direct shot at you, just a reference to the trend on the forum - especially the past couple years, now that we're flush).

Oh, and this word "Champions" if you want to twist yourself in knots, and apply the euro-multitranslation-footy-centric definition, that's your prerogative. In every other sport under the Sun, once you win a championship, you are technically a champion of that competition. I guess it's down to vernacular; I consider what you consider "Champions", to be "World Class Players". Zidane. Ale. Buffon. Nedved. etc. Those guys are World Class. Our players are Champions... two time reigning champions, to be more precise