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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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BTW, there's also this:

http://www.ukipdaily.com/tax-football-transfer-fees/

UKIP was arguing for a different rule here, because now "It seems it (a transfer) is seen as an expense much like a company buys machinery or commodities to then repackage and sell it. Any taxation of the club comes from the club’s profits or in most cases with big club’s losses, so they then don’t have any taxes to pay."
It's the same in Italy. Pogba's sale nets us 105 mil minus fees. The corporate chargeable gains tax only gets charged if we make a profit on the year. But it still means the net positive of the transfer has to take into account the tax allowances and reliefs we have to use to offset that gain.

The exact same thing happens in England.

The net positive from my understanding of corporate tax on chargeable gains doesn't mean we are actually paying the government 20 mil of the Pogba fee. It will be offset by purchases and other spending. But it still has to be taken into account in terms of economic net positive.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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Seems like he was sold a long time ago and we already reinvested the money.

A little underwhelming mercato for me.

Hopefully we sign two good MF, because right now we lost what made us great the last few years, our MF and if we are relying on cripple KHedira and relying on marchisio to come back to his previous form after an ACL injury, we are in for a bad surprise in the CL.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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It's the same in Italy. Pogba's sale nets us 105 mil minus fees. The corporate chargeable gains tax only gets charged if we make a profit on the year. But it still means the net positive of the transfer has to take into account the tax allowances and reliefs we have to use to offset that gain.

The exact same thing happens in England.

The net positive from my understanding of corporate tax on chargeable gains doesn't mean we are actually paying the government 20 mil of the Pogba fee. It will be offset by purchases and other spending. But it still has to be taken into account in terms of economic net positive.
So you're agreeing with me?
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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In the case of Pogba and Italy I have no clue how it works. About the UK, the real distinction between the two taxes is this: Suppose you gain 10m for sale of an asset, but lose 10m from normal operations. How much do you pay in taxes? If it's like you say, then you will pay taxes on the 10m. If it's like I say, you will pay 0 in corporate tax.
Noooo. I'm not saying you pay taxes on the 10 mil if you lose 10 mil.

I'm saying you have to lose 10 mil in order to not pay taxes on the 10 mil you made.

It's the same in Italy.

The net positive has to take into account that we would pay 21 mil on 105 mil chargeable gain of we didn't have losses equalling that in the rest of our operations for that year.

You have to use reliefs and allowances from losses to cover corporate gains. On your financial statement you still have to show the tax allowances used to offset that gain.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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So you're agreeing with me?
Or you're agreeing with me. We've both been saying the same thing. Only I've been saying it operates the exact same way in Italy and is still essentially a chargeable gains tax. Even an individual if he could manage to build up tax allowances through losses can offset capital gains tax with those.

Italy is the same as everywhere. Only we release our financials. And on financials you have to account for the allowances used which means the net positive effect goes down 21 million.

We won't actually pay the tax if our corporation comes out even at the end of year and has tax allowances to cover it.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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Or you're agreeing with me. We've both been saying the same thing. Only I've been saying it operates the exact same way in Italy and is still essentially a chargeable gains tax. Even an individual if he could manage to build up tax allowances through losses can offset capital gains tax with those.

Italy is the same as everywhere. Only we release our financials. And on financials you have to account for the allowances used which means the net positive effect goes down 21 million.
If you are right, that's good, because normally you can deduct losses made in the last 2-3 years and we have some losses, so we'll pay less than that.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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If you are right, that's good, because normally you can deduct losses made in the last 2-3 years and we have some losses, so we'll pay less than that.
We were basically saying the same thing from opposite perspectives. :lol:

I was just trying to say you have to lose money to avoid paying corporate tax on chargeable gains for sales of assets.

I'm happy we didn't start insulting one another :p
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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Statistically those who leave us and end up in EPL are cunts, specially those that are not respectful towards the club, so there are bigger pricks than him if I were to wish worst things to someone ;)

But I don't care much about this transfer tbh. Yeah it's sad we lost one of the most marketable players and a really great CM. But from personality side I was never a fan of his dab shit or his hairstyles or any of his other shenanigans. We got 100+ mil so that ain't bad I guess.

Manchester sold ronaldo, best player in the world with a record fee, that didn't mean they became a seller club, jsut that the player wanted a new challenge at all costs.

In an ideal world he would do a slide tackle and miss but would hit conte and would crush contes balls while fracturing every bone in his body. Other then that I'm indifferent :D
:D

I love how you are still keeping the Conte-hate going strong.
 

chester

Too busy to bother
May 20, 2006
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please correct me if i´m wrong but from what i´ve gathered, the 20% raiola thing will be paid entirely by manu while juve pays him the standard intermediary fee which has NOTHING to do with the 20% clause and has to be paid for pretty much EVERY SINGLE transfer that happens. it just never gets mentioned. so this basically means that we sold 80% of pogba for 105m, which puts the agreed price at over 130m. i´m ignoring the bonuses even though the 5m are a lock imo.
IF this is even remotely correct than it´s completely retarded to complain about the fee. and please don´t give me shit like "only the money we get counts" because that´s simply bullshit. the clause is in his contract, we had to put it there to get him here in the first place.
furthermore, we shouldn´t forget that a player´s price pretty much scales with his position on the pitch. can someone remind me who is the most expensive non CAM, winger or striker that has ever been sold? it can´t still be buffon, can it?
and yeah times have changed at so have player prices but even today 100m+ is an absolutely insane amount of money.

again, please correct me if i´m wrong as i´m not an expert on this stuff...
According to this link:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_duurste_voetbaltransfers
David Luiz with 50Meuro to PSG.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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Don't worry, he's their headache now. I'm telling you, within a year, him and his fat agent will start flirting with Real. I can guarantee you this.
This is again wishful thinking.

He's getting paid like a king. If Man U become CL contenders very soon, there's no reason for him to leave.
 

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