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They are looking at the market capitalization, which excludes the debt. Number of shares outstanding (~1,000,000,000 x share price of 0.26), The Enterprise Value based on public valuation is ~450 million euro, which includes the market value of debt, would be the correct implied figure. Something doesn't add up here, and I'm trying to find out why the implied valuation is so low. It might have to do with where the shares are listed (BORSA), but ultimately, if Juventus were sold, the sale price would be much higher than what is being implied by their public shares.
Sports clubs have emotional value. Look at Man Utd's market cap, no football club justifies that amount by simple CF forecast alone. Underlying financial performance isn't important if buyers don't care about it. I think Forbes recognises this.
More importantly I think controlling interest is key here. Controlling interest of a major football club should be valued way higher than just multiplying each stock with outstanding quantity. Billionaires look at a football club more as toy and the emotional ride that comes with it rather than a simple investment.
More importantly I think controlling interest is key here. Controlling interest of a major football club should be valued way higher than just multiplying each stock with outstanding quantity. Billionaires look at a football club more as toy and the emotional ride that comes with it rather than a simple investment.
A one pony club like United called a great club 
Alex ferguson left and that
great club falls apart 
I remember saying it here in this forum in Alex ferguson's last season with United that they will struggle for a really long time without him ( so far so good ).
A club that changes the entiretly of their directors (3 times), managers, loosing all their top players and start from scratch in a span of 4-5 years and return to winning titles and reaching CL final that's a sign of a really great club. Not saying that because I'm a Juve fan but if your totally honest with yourself just ask how can a club called "great" when the whole club falls apart just when one guy (1 freakin guy) walks away from that club !!
Mourinho won't win anything there. The guy is literary finished as a great manager.
Watched his last season with Madrid and he had 0 motivation or energy. People thought maybe it's just Madrid but again he proved he's really finnished when he took over Chelsea. I hope United fans will be around here next summer and I'll remind them of how "great" their club really is when they come "again" empty handed.
Alex ferguson left and that
great club falls apart I remember saying it here in this forum in Alex ferguson's last season with United that they will struggle for a really long time without him ( so far so good ).
A club that changes the entiretly of their directors (3 times), managers, loosing all their top players and start from scratch in a span of 4-5 years and return to winning titles and reaching CL final that's a sign of a really great club. Not saying that because I'm a Juve fan but if your totally honest with yourself just ask how can a club called "great" when the whole club falls apart just when one guy (1 freakin guy) walks away from that club !!
Mourinho won't win anything there. The guy is literary finished as a great manager.
Watched his last season with Madrid and he had 0 motivation or energy. People thought maybe it's just Madrid but again he proved he's really finnished when he took over Chelsea. I hope United fans will be around here next summer and I'll remind them of how "great" their club really is when they come "again" empty handed.
No. He is ours still, but i would not hold my hopes high. The rumours are very sttrong as of late and a lot of sources are confirming Pogba´s interested in a reunion with ManU.
All we can do for now is to wait for more reports from Mr. Di Culo and Zizinho.
Seriously, i would really do not want to believe all that... but they have hitted the jack pot before with our past transfers and the reality is that we are in no position to reject big offers...as good and as big as we are. Specially when we are talking on "big leagues" money which we are not accustomed to play in (120 mils? wtf?? insane).
Im not in the mood tot alk about this to be honest. If Mr. Di Culo or anyone has some good news please tag me. See ya tomorrow.
All we can do for now is to wait for more reports from Mr. Di Culo and Zizinho.
Seriously, i would really do not want to believe all that... but they have hitted the jack pot before with our past transfers and the reality is that we are in no position to reject big offers...as good and as big as we are. Specially when we are talking on "big leagues" money which we are not accustomed to play in (120 mils? wtf?? insane).
Im not in the mood tot alk about this to be honest. If Mr. Di Culo or anyone has some good news please tag me. See ya tomorrow.
Its the market cap which = total number of shares x share price. But the float is only around 30%, the other shares are owned by Exor, Agnelli and other major shareholders and are not traded on the Borsa Italiana. Obviously the majority stake is worth much more than the minority, so the 260m valuation is retarded. In fact, the minority stake is practically worthless, so 260x0.3=78m is a surprisingly high valuation. A better way to value Juve is too look at what Milan and Inter were sold for (or will be) and go from there. I think we are worth at least 50% more than Milan.
I think we are equally to blame here. Some of us get really defensive or excitable when these guys come around and the aggressive stance isn't conducive to conversations, leads to shit like this. I would prefer getting a view from both sides than seeing a fight on every page, instead of just running both of our clubs down. It's crazy to see both sets of equally big club fans go at it like two noveau riche sets of dingos. Disgusting actually. Let's not classify EPL fans or Utd fans as those lurking to get the Pogba transfer news coz they aren't coming here to smear it in our faces till the trash talking happens, they're coming to see if there is a possibility of the deal. Till the time the deal or situation closes let's avoid insulting one another or the clubs. Different mindsets les accept and move on. The English view is an important one in this scenario coz we are talking big money for a player.
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We are the bigger club, and historically too, we perhaps knick that argument as well. But they are the bigger brand, by far and away. It could change over the course of this decade if we stick to our path, but for now it's a reality that people need to accept on both sides of the English Channel.
