Paris attacks (10 Viewers)

[king Ale]

It's on the Guardian website too, amongst others..

Conversely, they have also positively identified one of the attackers as a French National.

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Poland has declared it will no longer participate in the EU refugee program.

Poland and refugees... and the irony.

 

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[JuveJay]

The coward who blew himself up probably didn't make a very effective bomb, thank goodness.

He died, that was effective enough for me.

Lassana Diarra confirmed earlier that one of his cousins died in the attacks.

 

[Cheesio]

Never seen something like this, my school is 1 block away from where the first attack started. The chaos yesterday was scary.

Guess the backclash for us arab, muslims here in france will be tough.

 

[Post Ironic]

Poland and refugees... and the irony.

 

[JuveJay]

Guess the backclash for us arab, muslims here in france will be tough.

All over Europe, and that's a real shame, but it's what these losers want. Their ideology is built on oppression from 'the West', so they want Westerners to oppress 'their people'.

 

[Post Ironic]

From the Guardian:

Three French nationals have been arrested in Belgium in connection with a bloody wave of suicide bombings and shootings in Paris that left nearly 130 people dead, the Paris public prosecutor said.

Francois Molins said one of the three, all of whom were living in Belgium, had rented a Seat Leon car used by some of the seven jihadists as they opened fire on fans at a city centre concert hall and customers in a string of cafes and bars on Friday evening.

I think we can dispel the idea that this attack was the exclusive work of ISIS terrorists who snuck into Europe pretending to be refugees. 3 French nationals arrested, another among the dead attackers... This was too organized and too well planned-out to have been flung together by some recent refugee arrivals. This doesn't mean there were no "refugees" involved, but imo the scale and nature of it mean a good percentage of the people organizing, supporting, and carrying out this attack had been living in France for much longer.

 

[Cheesio]

All over Europe, and that's a real shame, but it's what these losers want. Their ideology is built on oppression from 'the West', so they want Westerners to oppress 'their people'.

Exactly, it is what Isis wants, more west hate against muslims/Arabs because it suits their narrative. Today i was out against all my freinds and family advices, didn't face any problems.
Hopefully People all over europe open thier eyes and realise that the same is happening in Lebanon, egypt, libya, syria..... And it's not an Islam against the west war !!

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From the Guardian:



I think we can dispel the idea that this attack was the exclusive work of ISIS terrorists who snuck into Europe pretending to be refugees. 3 French nationals arrested, another among the dead attackers... This was too organized and too well planned-out to have been flung together by some recent refugee arrivals. This doesn't mean there were no "refugees" involved, but imo the scale and nature of it mean a good percentage of the people organizing, supporting, and carrying out this attack had been living in France for much longer.

 

[JuveJay]

This doesn't mean there were no "refugees" involved, but imo the scale and nature of it mean a good percentage of the people organizing, supporting, and carrying out this attack had been living in France for much longer.

To me that seemed obvious from the beginning, it has the planning and strategy of an 'inside job'. And honestly there are plenty of disillusioned French muslim youths around who could be turned into murder machines with little work.

 

[Post Ironic]

Exactly, it is what Isis wants, more west hate against muslims/Arabs because it suits their narrative. Today i was out against all my freinds and family advices, didn't face any problems.
Hopefully People all over europe open thier eyes and realise that the same is happening in Lebanon, egypt, libya, syria..... And it's not an Islam against the west war !!

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Give this article a read. I'm not much of a fan of Salon in general, but this article is spot on imo. The backlash is exactly what ISIS wants, the destruction of that "grayzone" where Western acceptance of Muslims and Islam is widespread. ISIS has explicitly stated its goal is to destroy any possibility of a middle ground, and ironically enough, many right wing politicians do their best to help this come to fruition.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/

 

[Ford Prefect]

Iirc, the original plan for the 9/11 attacks hoped for the west to respond brutally to muslims in general, leading to a general muslim uprising against the west. I can't find the source right now, but I think it was either a high-ranking Al Qaeda member or leaked documents that came out a few years ago.

Now Al Qaeda is not ISIS, but I do believe that their strategists aren't too unhappy about further confrontation and distrust between muslims & non-muslims in general.

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Btw @Ford Prefect @Post Ironic @Maddy @Osman concerning the topic of the sanity/insanity of those commiting such horribly acts in general, I can highly recommand you the movie "The radical evil" by Stephan Ruzowitzky. It concerns itself primarily with German soldiers in the German occupied territories during WW II, and deals with exactly those questions discussed here. I don't know if there's a version with English subs available, but if you find one, watch it. One of the most interesting documentaries I've ever seen.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...he-film-that-nobody-wants-to-see-9959093.html

thanks man

 

[Ocelot]

Give this article a read. I'm not much of a fan of Salon in general, but this article is spot on imo. The backlash is exactly what ISIS wants, the destruction of that "grayzone" where Western acceptance of Muslims and Islam is widespread. ISIS has explicitly stated its goal is to destroy any possibility of a middle ground, and ironically enough, many right wing politicians do their best to help this come to fruition.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/

The extremists of the other side are so often the natural allies of extremists everywhere.

 

[swag]

Poland and refugees... and the irony.

No different than Israel, really.

 

[Cheesio]

Give this article a read. I'm not much of a fan of Salon in general, but this article is spot on imo. The backlash is exactly what ISIS wants, the destruction of that "grayzone" where Western acceptance of Muslims and Islam is widespread. ISIS has explicitly stated its goal is to destroy any possibility of a middle ground, and ironically enough, many right wing politicians do their best to help this come to fruition.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/

Couldn't agree more. Article summerized the situation perfectly.

 

[swag]

Give this article a read. I'm not much of a fan of Salon in general, but this article is spot on imo. The backlash is exactly what ISIS wants, the destruction of that "grayzone" where Western acceptance of Muslims and Islam is widespread. ISIS has explicitly stated its goal is to destroy any possibility of a middle ground, and ironically enough, many right wing politicians do their best to help this come to fruition.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/

TBH, I found it unoriginal and not entirely accurate. Yes, there are people playing politics and racism out there who want to use this as an excuse for a blanket party on Islam. But I know I'm not the only one who finds that overly pandering, simplistic, and uncorrelated with my own beliefs. As such, the article insults my intelligence.

 

[king Ale]

Isis statement by the way, seems to have been written by a more fluent in English Turk_Bianconero.

 

[Ocelot]

Isis statement by the way, seems to have been written by a more fluent in English Turk_Bianconero.

Link? I can only find the french version...

And this

Islamic State’s official statement claiming responsibility for the attacks seems to have a key mistake: it mentions attacks in the 10th, 11th and the 18th district.

There was no attack in the 18th district.

 

[Post Ironic]

TBH, I found it unoriginal and not entirely accurate. Yes, there are people playing politics and racism out there who want to use this as an excuse for a blanket party on Islam. But I know I'm not the only one who finds that overly pandering, simplistic, and uncorrelated with my own beliefs. As such, the article insults my intelligence.

I'd say those three things are certainly there... But in essence I do agree with their point, even if the way they go about presenting it leaves something to be desired.

 

[Seven]

Isis statement by the way, seems to have been written by a more fluent in English Turk_Bianconero.

Isis is not a real threat to our society. It needs to be eradicated, but our society is not at risk at all. If it was we'd just nuke all of Syria and tell them that's what happens when you cross the line. People try to save every life, which is good, and that is why Isis think they have real power.

 

[king Ale]

Link? I can only find the french version...

And this

https://halummu.wordpress.com/2015/...-paris-against-the-crusader-nation-of-france/

Don't know how credible it is though, but that "imbecile of France" bit was so Turk

 

[JuveJay]

http://i.imgur.com/jLduykL.webm

And it wasn't even a Nokia 3310.

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