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he's probably just trying to appeal to his voter base though...hard to know what any of these people really think when they're pandering

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press reporting gunfire and explosions in Saint-Denis, France...not really giving details yet though
 

kao_ray

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Le Monde and other French media say they have confirmation from police and judicial sources that the three fugitives in the apartment are dead, including a woman who blew herself up with an explosive belt.
Erdogan views the kurds as a bigger threat than ISIS
 

Xperd

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U.S taking 10, 000 refugees over the next 2-3 yrs in comparison to Germany for example who are taking close to a million refugees and some people are making it sound like they have a massive burden on their head.
It's right in US' states expressing their concerns but it's better to put this operation on standby than completely rejecting refugee take-in.
There's still no confirmation that one of the attacker behind the attacks was infact a refugee.

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But that's exactly the thing, isn't it? Should those people be jailed even though they haven't actually attacked anyone nor proven to be planning an attack?



Exactly.

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http://www.der-postillon.com/2015/11/franzosische-kampfjets-bringen-gewalt.html
@DAiDEViL @lgorTudor @mondo1 :lol:

German version of the Onion:
"French jets bring violence back to where it belongs"
Or they could be blocked from going to Syria.
 

Nzoric

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mondo1

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The US should take at least half of the refugees. If it wasn't for their freaking interventions and "we are the world police", this crisis wouldn't be as bad as it is now. What did they gain when bombing lybia, Syria and co? They got rid of a dictator? Only for terrorist to claim the political power. Great work. And now they detract form the responsibility. The US has its economical issues ? Well guess what, so does Europe too.
 

Buck Fuddy

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I gotta say.. Every time he speaks about these things I'm surprised and disappointed with the states. Say what you want about Europe, but people here do learn to think for themselves.

Unfortunately that does seem to lead to identity crises in some..
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Police are attempting to enter a church in Saint-Denis

Not exactly known why.
Somehow, I don't think they're heading in there to confess their sins.
 

Ocelot

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U.S taking 10, 000 refugees over the next 2-3 yrs in comparison to Germany for example who are taking close to a million refugees and some people are making it sound like they have a massive burden on their head.
Yep.

Just like the burden on the 80 million country Germany is comparitively laughable to the numbers that Jordan & Lebanon take in.

Or they could be blocked from going to Syria.
@Postironic
But then you have radicalised and violent extremists at home. I'm not advocating for any measure here btw, it's one of those situations where I really don't have an answer. A lot of drawbacks associated with every path you choose to go down.

The new logic is "we have homeless veterans, WHY IS THE AMERICA HATING EMPEROR TAKING THEM IN!?!?!"
Exactly what happened here in Europe as well (and is still happening). Of course, 95% those who now scream for "our poor homeless" are exactly those who never gave any shit about the homeless ever before, while those people and organisations now helping the refugees are exactly the same that were, and still are, trying to help the poor & homeless. The homeless argument is just a convinient pseudo-argument that makes them sound like caring people instead of the xenophobis egoists they are.

But Andy, a democracy doesn't work where its citizens simply pick-and-choose, Chinese menu style, what policies they agree with, what politicians they like, what taxes they feel like paying, etc. I was screaming at the top of my lungs when George W Bush started the second Gulf invasion under what seemed like completely false pretenses when Scott Ritter completely convinced me that if anybody would have suspected any WMDs in Iraq, it would have been him, and he said there weren't any. But fuck me and my opinions -- we went to war anyway. People died. My taxes got funneled into the effort. And we're still living with the after-effects to this day.

Ultimately the only way to wash your hands of that is to leave the country and renounce your citizenship. The "it wasn't me" excuse is a cowardly cop-out. You are either in this country because you understand there are concessions made for the overall good that you may not agree with. There's no honor in a democracy without that. Otherwise what you're talking about is just every man for himself, and right now that attitude is perhaps the biggest poison that is dragging the country down.
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Exactly.

Obviously I will disagree. The cop-out is accepting whatever crap is thrown your way just because Obama is "The President", or "that's just the way it is." This passiveness in accepting our fate is the real reason why we are a failure, not individualism or free-thinking. If it was up to the Democrats/Leftists, we would all be running around yelling "Fuck Paris" like some elements of the Black Lives Matter crew. At the end of the day, the political class needs to pay for their crimes, not the general population. If that can't be the case, then we have a banana republic.
The bolded part is just....what?

And to the last part, what responsibility have the refugees for their situation? What responsibility do large parts of the Greek population have for the debt crisis? Was the BRD in the 50es wrong to pay reparations to the victims of Nazi Germany seeing as it used money from all its citizens, even those who fought against the NS? You fail to understand the basic principle on which a global system of nation states is founded.

Foreign aid. We give a ton of it. We can still make reparations for past grievances without taking a massive influx of refugees if we can't be 100% certain what their end game is.
Actually, the US doesn't give "a ton of foreign aid". It gives 0.19% of its gdp. Virtually of all western Europe is well above that, as is Japan, New Zealand, Canada, and Australia. So it's really among the very last among the developed nations. Although you can certainly criticize the principle of foreign aid in itself, there are some interesting studies about its efficiency, a lot of them rather negative.


Europe is taking a massive amount and paying the price of it. I know plenty of people there that are against it at that rate and have been for years. It's their countries as the US is ours and if people refuse to learn the language, assimilate, etc will only cause more problems.
Virtually all, maybe all of the terrorists have been second/third generations. If you're referring to the terrorist attacks, they've got next to nothing to do with the refugees.

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I'd say it's better than in most parts of the world (and it should be considering the economic wealth), but yeah, that statement is pretty laughable & arrogant :D
 

Seven

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Somehow, I don't think they're heading in there to confess their sins.
Yep.

Just like the burden on the 80 million country Germany is comparitively laughable to the numbers that Jordan & Lebanon take in.



@Postironic
But then you have radicalised and violent extremists at home. I'm not advocating for any measure here btw, it's one of those situations where I really don't have an answer. A lot of drawbacks associated with every path you choose to go down.



Exactly what happened here in Europe as well (and is still happening). Of course, 95% those who now scream for "our poor homeless" are exactly those who never gave any shit about the homeless ever before, while those people and organisations now helping the refugees are exactly the same that were, and still are, trying to help the poor & homeless. The homeless argument is just a convinient pseudo-argument that makes them sound like caring people instead of the xenophobis egoists they are.



:tup:

Exactly.



The bolded part is just....what?

And to the last part, what responsibility have the refugees for their situation? What responsibility do large parts of the Greek population have for the debt crisis? Was the BRD in the 50es wrong to pay reparations to the victims of Nazi Germany seeing as it used money from all its citizens, even those who fought against the NS? You fail to understand the basic principle on which a global system of nation states is founded.



Actually, the US doesn't give "a ton of foreign aid". It gives 0.19% of its gdp. Virtually of all western Europe is well above that, as is Japan, New Zealand, Canada, and Australia. So it's really among the very last among the developed nations. Although you can certainly criticize the principle of foreign aid in itself, there are some interesting studies about its efficiency, a lot of them rather negative.




Virtually all, maybe all of the terrorists have been second/third generations. If you're referring to the terrorist attacks, they've got next to nothing to do with the refugees.

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I'd say it's better than in most parts of the world (and it should be considering the economic wealth), but yeah, that statement is pretty laughable & arrogant :D
Compare it to other regions in the world. This is the one thing we excel at. Even our most stupid citizens know better than to take everything that is told them for granted.

Both of you are underestimating how good Europe is at this. And we have to be, because right now it's our only product.
 

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