Paolo De Ceglie (16 Viewers)
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I don't think it's really that simple.. Sure he may be talented but theres a massive step from Siena to starting with Juve, and next to no experience surely doesnt help.. There's a variety of factors that could occur and sometimes talent is not enough, I'm not saying he can't do it but I think your being optimistic.. The last youngster we threw in the deepend was Criscito, and as much we wanted him to swim he simply didn't it wasnt because he wasn't talented and you can bet everyone one of us would of bet that he was going to have a bright future with us
Your right many factors will play a role in the success of a player especially at juve, and maybe I am optimistic. As for criscito I believe he got rushed into first team play too soon theres no arguing that hes talented but beeing thrown into big league games at his age and with relatively zero experience is not a recipe for a good display. Im not saying de ceglie should be dealt with the same as criscito, I want him to gradually get some playing time, come on as a sub for awhile then IF he shows his qualities, he can take over from molinaro which isnt really a reference to begin with. His qualities are really very good, he just needs confidence and gradual experience on the field. What pisses me off is how we rushed with criscito straight away and then our board labeled him as a "partial failure" im overexagerating but I totally blame what happened to criscito to our board, hopefully they learned their lesson and this wont happen with de ceglie.
I get u dude but I dont think his situation compares to Criscito's situation. I say this because the centre back position is much harder and riskier to be in imo. I always had doubts on Criscito because of his size and him bouncing of Totti against Roma proved as such.
PDC has a decent build, is fast & can cross. He's definately not a finshed product as we has to work on positioning etc but I dont see great harm in throwing him in to see what he offers. Being pacey makes up for a lot of flaws as a wing back imo - Molinaro does many things badly but his defending was always decent and truth be told, I dont feel he was at fault for many goals as Legro or Grygera was because he could recover his poor positioning with his pace
Throwing in Criscito was a BIG risk from the onset
PDC has a decent build, is fast & can cross. He's definately not a finshed product as we has to work on positioning etc but I dont see great harm in throwing him in to see what he offers. Being pacey makes up for a lot of flaws as a wing back imo - Molinaro does many things badly but his defending was always decent and truth be told, I dont feel he was at fault for many goals as Legro or Grygera was because he could recover his poor positioning with his pace
Throwing in Criscito was a BIG risk from the onset
Indeed as Brixity said, there is monumental difference CB and LB in terms of risk and the burden of the task (LB is way more simplistic in task, area to cover, and amount of players you have to keep track of, if you lose your man as LB it may indirectly lead to goal, but with CB, its every single time a direct goal chance).
You rarely see young players excelling directly as CB at all (people like Micah Richards are big exceptions), its a very demanding position that warrants for experience and smarts, if you dont have the physical qualities enough impose yourself. Which again, Micah Richards has too, in if he is off position, he is fast enough to bounce back, same with Chiellini who is strong and quick enough to deal with the task when he isnt on point positionally.
Criscito while not just being young and inexperienced, I saw in Azzurrini too before he came to us, was way to weak physically to impose himself in any way in vital sitautions like that. Too easily bullied off the ball.
You rarely see young players excelling directly as CB at all (people like Micah Richards are big exceptions), its a very demanding position that warrants for experience and smarts, if you dont have the physical qualities enough impose yourself. Which again, Micah Richards has too, in if he is off position, he is fast enough to bounce back, same with Chiellini who is strong and quick enough to deal with the task when he isnt on point positionally.
Criscito while not just being young and inexperienced, I saw in Azzurrini too before he came to us, was way to weak physically to impose himself in any way in vital sitautions like that. Too easily bullied off the ball.
I wasn't exactly comparing De Ceglie & Criscito per se, rather the position that they are in (not field position but rather as a young player expected to perform).. IMO we are expecting too much of De Ceglie by hoping that he will break out and perform consistantly well from the get go & displace Molinaro from the starting team.. I'm just trying to point out that things are rarely this easy and oh so "rosey".. It takes time and experience to perform well & De Ceglie being a LB and not a CB will to a degree lessen the risk, but you can't deny that any position on the field requires concentration and skill and most of the time this takes time.
Indeed it does. Its just that even if De Ceglie has to take a big step (and we should give him time), it wont be as big as Criscito tried to, due to the difference in and burden of the positions. And the fact he has little to no competition in that his only competition is Molinaro.
If we dont buy an LB, and it looks quite likely we wont, I think its a positive sign of what the management and Ranieri thinks of De Ceglies quality, to trust enough to take that risk. Because they already seen and know Molinaro, and would have undoubtly signed a fullback if they had thought De Ceglie wouldnt be enough.
If we dont buy an LB, and it looks quite likely we wont, I think its a positive sign of what the management and Ranieri thinks of De Ceglies quality, to trust enough to take that risk. Because they already seen and know Molinaro, and would have undoubtly signed a fullback if they had thought De Ceglie wouldnt be enough.
Micah Richards played RB for a while before moving to CB, though.
I like Criscito, becaue I think his positional sense is very good for a player of his age, but if he doesn't muscle up he will never be able to make it at the top level.
Micah Richards played RB for a while before moving to CB, though.
I like Criscito, becaue I think his positional sense is very good for a player of his age, but if he doesn't muscle up he will never be able to make it at the top level.
Seba Gio weighs a meezly 59 kgs and Robinho 60 kilos but its not as bad an issue for a forward, particularly a skillful one - either he passes, or its a foul
Agreed. He cant expect to get to the next level weighing in at 70 kgs.
Seba Gio weighs a meezly 59 kgs and Robinho 60 kilos but its not as bad an issue for a forward, particularly a skillful one - either he passes, or its a foul
Seba Gio weighs a meezly 59 kgs and Robinho 60 kilos but its not as bad an issue for a forward, particularly a skillful one - either he passes, or its a foul
