Osama Bin Laden is dead! (2 Viewers)

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Seriously its understandable what he says about Bin Laden. I personally don't give two shits if they throw him in the water, ocean, sea or whatever the fuck they do to him. The guy was fucking evil, and him getting killed is good riddance to everyone. But Islam is waging war against America? WTF, how does he conclude that? does he put us in the same category as Ben Laden? Does he know that despite 9-11 and other terrorist acts in the West, that the numbers killed in the west because of these radical islamist groups pales in comparison to the numbers killed in Pakistan and the Islamic world? I really think people should get to know Ben Laden, and al Qaeda's ideology and line of reasoning before they make judgments about muslims as a whole.
 

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L'autista
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and why does that shame to half of my own blood lines CUNT mention the billions which go towards sustaining and expanding the Israeli genocide of palestinians???? I doubt I am the only englishman who finds this upper class (easily noted through his accent), right wing fascist pigfuckin mormon, exactly the kind of human being who encourages and supports everything wrong with our world.

Whilst I am most definitely sicilian/english by blood AND nurture, i have nothing but hatred for the deceitful vermin in suits who run England...which is where I have spent most of my adult life, other than here in Australia, whose politics can never be described as anything but 'lapdogs of the English, lapdogs of the US, or lapdogs of the main countries who spread such wealth here, mainly the Chinaman and historically brutal Japs'...
Do austerity measures in your country include punctuation? :confused:

Seriously its understandable what he says about Bin Laden. I personally don't give two shits if they throw him in the water, ocean, sea or whatever the fuck they do to him. The guy was fucking evil, and him getting killed is good riddance to everyone. But Islam is waging war against America? WTF, how does he conclude that? does he put us in the same category as Ben Laden? Does he know that despite 9-11 and other terrorist acts in the West, that the numbers killed in the west because of these radical islamist groups pales in comparison to the numbers killed in Pakistan and the Islamic world? I really think people should get to know Ben Laden, and al Qaeda's ideology and line of reasoning before they make judgments about muslims as a whole.
You just cannot accept the truth, Fred, that's all.

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Bjerknes

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Fred, we are talking about Osama Bin Laden, not Ben Laden. Ben is the guy that became internationally known for making shower curtains out of flesh.

Trust me, I too think Ben Laden was a bad guy though.
Osama Ben Bernanke is worse.
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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Seriously its understandable what he says about Bin Laden. I personally don't give two shits if they throw him in the water, ocean, sea or whatever the fuck they do to him. The guy was fucking evil, and him getting killed is good riddance to everyone. But Islam is waging war against America? WTF, how does he conclude that? does he put us in the same category as Ben Laden? Does he know that despite 9-11 and other terrorist acts in the West, that the numbers killed in the west because of these radical islamist groups pales in comparison to the numbers killed in Pakistan and the Islamic world? I really think people should get to know Ben Laden, and al Qaeda's ideology and line of reasoning before they make judgments about muslims as a whole.
I agree with this. I liked most of what he said but that bit about America being "at war" with Islam was bs.
 

Fake Melo

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Sep 3, 2010
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Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan
US forces were given permission to conduct unilateral raid inside Pakistan if they knew where Bin Laden was hiding, officials say

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

The deal puts a new complexion on the political storm triggered by Bin Laden's death in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad, where a team of US navy Seals assaulted his safe house in the early hours of 2 May.

Pakistani officials have insisted they knew nothing of the raid, with military and civilian leaders issuing a strong rebuke to the US. If the US conducts another such assault, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani warned parliament on Monday, "Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force."

Days earlier, Musharraf, now running an opposition party from exile in London, emerged as one of the most vocal critics of the raid, terming it a "violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan".

But under the terms of the secret deal, while Pakistanis may not have been informed of the assault, they had agreed to it in principle.

A senior Pakistani official said it had been struck under Musharraf and renewed by the army during the "transition to democracy" – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.

Referring to the assault on Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound, the official added: "As far as our American friends are concerned, they have just implemented the agreement."

The former US official said the Pakistani protests of the past week were the "public face" of the deal. "We knew they would deny this stuff."

The agreement is consistent with Pakistan's unspoken policy towards CIA drone strikes in the tribal belt, which was revealed by the WikiLeaks US embassy cables last November. In August 2008, Gilani reportedly told a US official: "I don't care if they do it, as long as they get the right people. We'll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it."

As drone strikes have escalated in the tribal belt over the past year, senior civilian and military officials issued pro forma denunciations even as it became clear the Pakistani military was co-operating with the covert programme.

The former US official said that impetus for the co-operation, much like the Bin Laden deal, was driven by the US. "It didn't come from Musharraf's desire. On the Predators, we made it very clear to them that if they weren't going to prosecute these targets, we were, and there was nothing they could do to stop us taking unilateral action.

"We told them, over and again: 'We'll stop the Predators if you take these targets out yourselves.'"

Despite several attempts to contact his London office, the Guardian has been unable to obtain comment from Musharraf.

Since Bin Laden's death, Pakistan has come under intense US scrutiny, including accusations that elements within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence helped hide the al-Qaida leader.

On Sunday, President Barack Obama said Bin Laden must have had "some sort of support network" inside Pakistan.

"We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, outside of government, and that's something we have to investigate," Obama said.

Gilani has stood firmly by the ISI, describing it as a "national asset", and said claims that Pakistan was "in cahoots" with al-Qaida were "disingenuous".

"Allegations of complicity or incompetence are absurd," he said. "We didn't invite Osama bin Laden to Pakistan."

Gilani said the army had launched an investigation into how Bin Laden managed to hide inside Pakistan. Senior generals will give a briefing on the furore to parliament next Friday.

Gilani paid lip-service to the alliance with America and welcomed a forthcoming visit from the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, but pointedly paid tribute to help from China, whom he described as "a source of inspiration for the people of Pakistan".

The Guardian.
 

Lo-Pan

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Feb 11, 2009
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Do austerity measures in your country include punctuation? :confused:
troll the forums. find the heavy amount of non naturually tongued members, who can barely piece together a sentence which makes sense to an Englishman, let alone the bastardized offspring of the English, ponder your words...ponder their worth...and ponder why you chose such a meaningless matter, to contest a meaninful matter.
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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troll the forums. find the heavy amount of non naturually tongued members, who can barely piece together a sentence which makes sense to an Englishman, let alone the bastardized offspring of the English, ponder your words...ponder their worth...and ponder why you chose such a meaningless matter, to contest a meaninful matter.
I could your powers of writing a simple sentence in many words right about now :)
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
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I could your powers of writing a simple sentence in many words right about now :)
i am unsure as to whether that was a virtual slap or caress, mr raz...but i will respond towards both in one fell swoop. I am a fuked up gutter poet, whose ONLY talent with words, that has ever proven valuable, is my not ability, but deranged inability, to do anything other than express my feelings and thoughts for the NOW, as close to verbatim, body and head to lines...as my dear rathound sits behind me, and my gums rejoice at the removal earlier this evening, of a the cause of the extreme pain i have been suffering from 24/7 since last Friday; a 2cm wooden spike, and I listen to the cunninglinguist sing DREAMS, finally gaining a semblance of manliness in terms of my recent tentative entanglement with a gorgeous, deep, dark, but fucked up florist lady...I ponder your words, and suggest, that you read some Burroughs...avoiding ALL of his cut-up efforts...or some Hunter...or some Bukowski...without doubt, consuming such starlets of wordsmithery, will in the very least, both improve your own wordsmithery, and likely also, make you smile...well, charlie doesn't make me smile much, in fact I had to do what I hate to do recently, and put down his book, of letters from the 60s, because I am already, by nature, a drunkard deviant...and all Buk does is encourage me to wallow, when I need to find joy, and hope, and vitality...which is why I switched to Manfredi's gorgeously rendered Tyrant.
 

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