!!!!!!!!!!Official Mutu is from Juve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (5 Viewers)

the phoenix · Jan 13, 2005

Majed, I like your point, actually I really like your second point. To expand on that, honestly I just cannot see Moggi NOT cashing in on Trez and going elsewhere to find someone else to replace him. Cassano may be Spain, but I do not think so. My gut feeling is that the Mutu acquisition is a small piece of a puzzle that is about to get bigger.

Majed · Jan 13, 2005

I have that feeling too, but somehow, I don't think it involves Trezeguet.
He's been our top scorer for a few years now. He pushed Inzaghi out of the squad. He pushed Kovacevic out too. He doesn't provide much on the field, but he scores a lot.

Add to this the fact that we just nursed him to full recovery. This sounds like a long term investment to me. Also, Capello wanted him to stay, so you know that nobody wants him out.

I do however, agree that Mutu is part of a bigger puzzle. As a DP fan, I have this small fear that Del Piero's days are over at Juventus. As much as he's an icon here and as much as he's done, we know how ruthless (rightfully too) Juve's management can be. But above that, as a Juve fan, I also admit that he hasn't been doing well at all and it's probably to Juve's advantage if he leaves. Add to this, the fact that Capello feels nothing special towards DP as Lippi did (rightfully so as DP did so much in the 90's). The only huge stumbling block is DP's wage demands. It's been stated many times here in the forums and I agree. The only clubs that might match DP's salary demands are the huge clubs that aim for top titles. However, these clubs know that there's not much that DP can offer. This takes us back to square one.

as for Zalayeta, we never know. He's left Juve and come back almost as many times as Maresca. Anything's possible. I personally would like to keep him as a reserve (4th or 5th) striker because he doesn't complain and he's still useful.

As for Zlatan, he seems to be a hit with the club and fans, so there's no chance of him leaving?

That leaves us with Mutu?! Will we sell him? Will we use him as a pawn to get Jankulovski?
Cassano's not renewing his contract with Roma. They might sell him and we might offer Mutu in exchange for Chivu?! you never know!!! So after all, Cassano might actually be involved in the bigger picture but not exacly as you stated!

Bjerknes · Jan 13, 2005

Half-disagree here.

1. Supposedly another Emerson type-deal might happen again, with Cassano only wanting to join up with his favorite coach Capello. Now if this happens again of course Sensi will flip, but he will have no choice but to sell him to Juventus because Cassano's contract expires in 2006. See do not rule out anything yet.

I keep hearing from fans on other sites that after looking at Mutu's contract with Juve, one could argue that this is just a "bait-buy." Mutu might not even play a game with us because since Mutu's salary is so low, Roma would be able to top it, thus Juventus could use Mutu as bait for Cassano. Roma would be inclined to accept the deal because a) they need to sell b) they would have a ready-made replacement for Cassano in Mutu whose salary is managable for them. So there might be more surprises ahead of us.

2. I do not see Trez leaving as well. Capello loves his target men and he would not have insisted on Trez staying for another year if David is not that important for his plans. He will be with us for longer. Besides, like someone already mentioned nobody is going to give us the amount we want for him.

Primo · Jan 13, 2005

So is he available for the CL FINALS if we make it???

gray · Jan 13, 2005

Agreed with most of the posts above. We need Trezeguet to be our goal-getter, no matter how invisible he is on the pitch. Zalayeta isn't worth selling, since he's patient and doesn't complain about being 4th or 5th striker and it's not like we're going to gain any substantial monetary benefit from selling him.

It would be madness to leave any of Trezeguet, Mutu, Del Piero and Zlatan on the bench for any extended period of time, so at least one of them has to go. We've just signed Zlatan and Mutu, and the former has been doing very well, and as has been mentioned already, Capello wanted to use Trezeguet and we've just waited several months for him to return from a long-term injury, so it doesn't really look like he's on his way out either.

That leaves Del Piero. He's been subbed out 17 out of the 18 matches he's started, and being on the wrong side of 30, I think most people have accepted that he's not going to return to the form he hit before that injury.

As much as I like Del Piero as a man and a Juventus icon, it's clear as mud that he doesn't have an immense amount to offer the club, and it would probably be beneficial for both parties if he left... :down:

Bjerknes · Jan 13, 2005

I agree, and indeed, the day Del Piero leaves the club, it will be a sad occasion for many Juventini. Rightfully so...

Majed · Jan 13, 2005

Why not half-agree?

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Anyhow, read my theory above...

Fair point, but I still don't see it hapening. For a couple of reasons:
1. I'm skeptical about this Cassano-Capello relationship you talk about. I know they respect each other, but you have to consider Cassano's other words more seriously. To be specific, he talked about not enjoying "sticking to tactics." This is a big enough hint that he does not want to stay in Itay. Spain?!

We were thinking along the same path, though we separetaed when I took the Chivu twist.

Majed · Jan 13, 2005

In one word, Yes.
Wait, that's four... no... now it's seven...no eleven...

Bjerknes · Jan 13, 2005

Oops. Good point.

I do not really make too much out of what footballers or Moggi-types say to the media, because its all a game to cause controversy and to just make up something interesting. In other cases, some stories are made to be smokescreens. Who knows, maybe Moggi gave Cassano a lesson on this subject and little Antonio is only creating a diversion with this Spain talk. I do not think he dispises his own country's football that much.

Yeah, Chivu might be another possibility. Whatever happens, its going to be interesting to see what actually unfolds here in the next six months.

Majed · Jan 13, 2005

Good point. What may also support your argument is that Moggi has a thing for pissing other clubs off, specially Roma. We all know the Ferrara, Legrotaglie, Emerson, and Capello stories. Cassano might just be the next tool to annoy Romanista!!

Anyhow, for everyone's sake, except maybe Serie A and Italian football

, I hope Cassano goes to Spain. He'll light that place up!!
I just want to see Chivu in a Juve jersey!! :touched:

Bjerknes · Jan 13, 2005

I would love to see Chivu play for us as well, however I hope he is not going to become another Tudor, being injury-prone and all.

Majed · Jan 13, 2005

Tudor's problems are a real shame... Watching him from 4 seasons ago made it seem like we were all set for years to come!! He had the whole package!!

baggio · Jan 13, 2005

Great news.

But to answer that question Mij, i think Zala, Dp or Mutu himself could be sold, if thats what it takes to bring in a Cassano. I guess we'll know the true picture once this season plays out. If we win the scudetto, it may give Cassano more drive to join us, but on the other hand if he moves to spain, then i dont think we'll be buying or selling any forwards this summer.

Chxta · Jan 13, 2005

Let's get our heads out of the clouds and back to the ground. Granted Mutu's a good... sorry, great signing, but he'll be unable to play until the game against Parma on the 15th of May, so forget about him for the now.

See, Cassano will not join us. And personally, now that we have Mutu, I don't even want that brat. Let Madrid have him, they are a team on the down anyway...

What do we really need at the moment? I think we need someone that can play Nedved's role to a reasonable degree. Pavel's not the same player anymore. He is still good, but IMO he beginning to slow down.

Baggio what ya think?

Chxta · Jan 13, 2005

One more thing: Moggi, that was a great piece of economics getting a great player for less than nothing.

Watch out for Mutu when he proves himself once again. Jis value will skyrocket, and if we then decide to sell...

Maher · Jan 13, 2005

I think it is great news , i always liked him since he was with parma , but i dont think this will affect dp in any way , we need 5 strikers to let capello choose from , why we must have only 4??

gray · Jan 13, 2005

It's not just about the numbers involved; it's the fact that it's rather difficult to have so many top class players (Mutu, Zlatan, Del Piero, Trezeguet) in one team and keep them all happy, without resorting to a rotation system that would ensure that our forwards can never get used to playing with each other, since they'd be constantly shuffled around.

It's best IMO to have 3 first choice forwards to choose from, and one replacement (i.e. Zalayeta), and maybe an emergency striker for extreme cases (i.e. Kapo). 4 top players in one squad is too much IMO, even if we're competing in 3 competitions.

DelpieroForLife · Jan 13, 2005

Trezeguet will be sold in the summer mark my words

Maher · Jan 13, 2005

Moggi is a genius , who will try to get a banned player for free

Daddi · Jan 13, 2005

man, I hope ur wrong DP4Life

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