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Yeah, once we talked about that lost generation. If you look at the names the 1970's gave to the Italian football you can have nothing else but respect for the calcio.
Starting from 1973 you have Cannavaro, Materazzi, Inzaghi, Pannuci, Vieri
1974 gave us Del Piero
1975 - Fiore ( yeah, bad year for Calcio)
1976- Totti, Camoranesi (ok, his case is different), Nesta
1977- Zambrotta, Toni, Perrotta
1978- Buffon, Gattuso
And in 1979 you have Pirlo and few more (Iaquinta etc)
Most of these guys were winning big tournaments ever since their early 20's. It was obvious they were born winners.
But you enter the 1980's and you have a lack of talent. Between Pirlo and Gilardino's generation ( between 1979 and 1982) you have only Barzagli and Gamberini who made it to the NT.
Then, in Gilardino's generation (the one that was superior in the youth stages and that is now consisted of players in their mid 20's), even though everyone expected these guys to rule the world, only Daniele De Rossi and Cassano made it big. Gilardino, Borriello, Quagliarella and Amelia were great talents but now we can see that these guys aren't among world's best.
Aquilani and Chiellini are the leaders of their generation and there is some exciting talent in the new u21.
But there is lack of quality players between Pirlo and Chiellini (generation 1979 till generation 1984) and exactly those generations were supposed to lead Italy during Donadoni era.
That's why Donadoni failed and that's why i'm sure everyone in his position would have failed.
Why do you think no-one wanted to take the helm of the Italian NT after Lippi?
Guys like Capello, Ancelotti and the other great names were aware that they can't do much. And that's why the Italian FA had to do with a young coach like Donadoni, because he was one of the rare who were willing to accept the job.
Starting from 1973 you have Cannavaro, Materazzi, Inzaghi, Pannuci, Vieri
1974 gave us Del Piero
1975 - Fiore ( yeah, bad year for Calcio)
1976- Totti, Camoranesi (ok, his case is different), Nesta
1977- Zambrotta, Toni, Perrotta
1978- Buffon, Gattuso
And in 1979 you have Pirlo and few more (Iaquinta etc)
Most of these guys were winning big tournaments ever since their early 20's. It was obvious they were born winners.
But you enter the 1980's and you have a lack of talent. Between Pirlo and Gilardino's generation ( between 1979 and 1982) you have only Barzagli and Gamberini who made it to the NT.
Then, in Gilardino's generation (the one that was superior in the youth stages and that is now consisted of players in their mid 20's), even though everyone expected these guys to rule the world, only Daniele De Rossi and Cassano made it big. Gilardino, Borriello, Quagliarella and Amelia were great talents but now we can see that these guys aren't among world's best.
Aquilani and Chiellini are the leaders of their generation and there is some exciting talent in the new u21.
But there is lack of quality players between Pirlo and Chiellini (generation 1979 till generation 1984) and exactly those generations were supposed to lead Italy during Donadoni era.
That's why Donadoni failed and that's why i'm sure everyone in his position would have failed.
Why do you think no-one wanted to take the helm of the Italian NT after Lippi?
Guys like Capello, Ancelotti and the other great names were aware that they can't do much. And that's why the Italian FA had to do with a young coach like Donadoni, because he was one of the rare who were willing to accept the job.
we've lost again 
I guess you're one of those who think that Donadoni failed because he didn't play Del Piero all the time ?
What more did people expect from Donadoni ? He won his qualifying group ( the group with France, Ukraine and Scotland), he almost made it to the semi of the euro's and his team was eliminated on penalties by the euro champs.
He had to do without Nesta, Totti and Cannavaro, he had old players and, like i've shown you in some of my previous posts, 4 or 5 generations of Italian footballers didn't give more than 1 or 2 good players.
No coach would have won anything with the team Italy had after the world cup.
What more did people expect from Donadoni ? He won his qualifying group ( the group with France, Ukraine and Scotland), he almost made it to the semi of the euro's and his team was eliminated on penalties by the euro champs.
He had to do without Nesta, Totti and Cannavaro, he had old players and, like i've shown you in some of my previous posts, 4 or 5 generations of Italian footballers didn't give more than 1 or 2 good players.
No coach would have won anything with the team Italy had after the world cup.
It was obvious to anyone who wasn't blinded with love for the Italian NT that after the WC the team was going down, NO MATTER who was the coach.
The team that won the WC was the oldest team that won a WC in history and there weren't any good players to replace the older superstars.
You can argue that Donadoni made some tactical mistakes, but it's foolish to think that someone else would have achieved more with the players at his disposal. Only with a catenaccio and an unbelievable luck (like Greece in 2004), this Italian team could've achieved more.
Cannavaro, Materazzi, Nesta.....Zambrotta and Grosso at full power. What did Donadoni have ? Cannavaro and Materazzi in their mid 30's, not even close to the players they were, Nesta retired while Zambrotta and Grosso also in their 30's now, without the speed that made them so good.
Del Piero, Inzaghi, Totti.......these guys were world's best in their best years. Now one of them retired while the other two were in their mid 30's. Even in midfield Gattuso didn't run as much as he did before, Pirlo was out of form, and Camoranesi, as great as he is, is also in his 30's now.
What about their subs ? Don't look at the current u21 because Donadoni couldn't possibly count on those players. Apart from Chiellini you have NO-ONE to replace the old superstars . No-one in defense as close to Nesta in quality, no quality full-backs who can run all match long up and down like Zambro did in his 20's. There wasn't a fantasista like Totti and they didn't have a younger and great striker who scores 20-30 goals every season, like Ale and Pippo did in the past.
People didn't want to accept the reality and they took a shortcut, saying that it's Donadoni's fault only.
If you ask Enron or Fred they'll tell you the same thing about us, the Juve fans (most of us, not all. I'm among the most).
We still want to think that we're strong to win all the trophies, as strong as we were before Calciopoli, but the reality says otherwise.
The team that won the WC was the oldest team that won a WC in history and there weren't any good players to replace the older superstars.
You can argue that Donadoni made some tactical mistakes, but it's foolish to think that someone else would have achieved more with the players at his disposal. Only with a catenaccio and an unbelievable luck (like Greece in 2004), this Italian team could've achieved more.
Cannavaro, Materazzi, Nesta.....Zambrotta and Grosso at full power. What did Donadoni have ? Cannavaro and Materazzi in their mid 30's, not even close to the players they were, Nesta retired while Zambrotta and Grosso also in their 30's now, without the speed that made them so good.
Del Piero, Inzaghi, Totti.......these guys were world's best in their best years. Now one of them retired while the other two were in their mid 30's. Even in midfield Gattuso didn't run as much as he did before, Pirlo was out of form, and Camoranesi, as great as he is, is also in his 30's now.
What about their subs ? Don't look at the current u21 because Donadoni couldn't possibly count on those players. Apart from Chiellini you have NO-ONE to replace the old superstars . No-one in defense as close to Nesta in quality, no quality full-backs who can run all match long up and down like Zambro did in his 20's. There wasn't a fantasista like Totti and they didn't have a younger and great striker who scores 20-30 goals every season, like Ale and Pippo did in the past.
People didn't want to accept the reality and they took a shortcut, saying that it's Donadoni's fault only.
If you ask Enron or Fred they'll tell you the same thing about us, the Juve fans (most of us, not all. I'm among the most).
We still want to think that we're strong to win all the trophies, as strong as we were before Calciopoli, but the reality says otherwise.
CONVOCATI - Questi i 23 convocati: Portieri: Buffon (Juventus), Amelia (Palermo), De Sanctis (Galatasaray); Difensori: Bonera (Milan), Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Chiellini (Juventus), Dossena (Liverpool), Gamberini (Fiorentina), Santacroce (Napoli), Zambrotta (Milan); Centrocampisti: Aquilani (Roma), Camoranesi (Juventus), De Rossi (Roma), Gattuso (Milan), Maggio (Napoli), Montolivo (Fiorentina), Nocerino (Palermo), Perrotta (Roma); Attaccanti: Di Natale (Udinese), Gilardino (Fiorentina), Pepe (Udinese), Rossi (Villarreal), Toni (Bayern Monaco)
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