Official Azzurri (Italy) Euro 2008 Thread (39 Viewers)

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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As if I complain about the referee every single time we happen to lose a match or fail at an achievement. Unlike Azzurri fans, I take responsibility for our failures, just like I ALWAYS do with Juventus' failures, as in reality when you play this bad you don't deserve any luck. Please tell me where the referee in this instance gave a yellow card to an innocent man who was already booked and then pulled out the red card to show this innocent man off the pitch. Sorry, but offsides calls are much less fucked up than that.

Call me a hypocrite or whatever you like, the fact of the matter is in every single tournament I see Azzurri supporters whining about the supposed calls that have sent them out of the tournament. In 2000 it was the referee not calling stuff against the French defense, in 2002 it was the Byron Moreno being paid off, in 2004 it was the bloody Scandinavians, and now it's the referees once again. How fucking pathetic and cheap can you people be? You're always trying to pinpoint a scapegoat to blame all your failures on, and for some reason you always succeed because it's like a fucking train here... if you don't win the tournament, you've been cheated.

I mean grow the fuck up already. The reason why I'm getting annoyed with the Azzurri and Italy is not because of their football or any of their players. Rather, the reason why I'm getting annoyed by them is because they never own up to failures, how they always blame stuff on the opposition like they did when they played my side, how they think they deserve better treatment by the refs than others, how they believe they're the biggest team ever, and how they hide behind their weak ass Italian blood to racially discriminate people who want to play for them.

So if people are angry with me because of my verbiage against the Azzurri, blame yourselves because you're doing a great job at segregating people from you as it is.
The offside rule was changed after the game against Holland. Toni was miles onside, yet his goal didn't stand. We're not asking for a special treatment, we're asking for fair referees. You know this is bullshit Andy.
 

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francesco

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Jul 25, 2006
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Video replays will totally ruin the flow of the game.Too many pauses etc..it would make the game less attractive.Plus refreeing mistakes are a part of the game.In a weird way,its what makes the game what it is.Football wouldnt be football without the drama and the controversies.
It would be a better game without these controversies IMO. Time after time referrees are the deciding factor in games and this has to stop. Humans make mistakes, so i think its about time we introduce the technology to prevent these mistakes and put an end to these controversies that arise every year, in every game, in every tournament. Football is becoming too political and quite frankly is making me sick!
 

francesco

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Jul 25, 2006
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After the horror show of 2002 Blatter said Italy were knocked out because they didn't score enough. He failed to mention that half of Italy's goals were wrongly cancelled.

The same show goes on today. Had Italy been given the goal against Romania, the game would have been very different. You simply cannot say Italy didn't show enough, because the referee changed the entire game. Apart from that Italy quite obviously did deserve to win.

I realise that you're either for or against Italy. You simply cannot be neutral about the side. I realise a lot of people don't want Italy to win. Maybe even the referee didn't want Italy to win. How else can you explain the fact Toni's goal was annulled (he wasn't just onside, he was metres onside) and a penalty given at the end of the game with no apparent foul?

In the end I'm not saying there is some sort of conspiracy, I'm just saying a lot of people don't like Italy. Add to that the fact it is only human to make mistakes and you get a lot of Italy games that are indeed influenced by the ref. To say that he didn't change the result yesterday is retarded and there is no defense for doing so. It means you don't know the first thing about football. More importantly though, I think fans should demand the use of video evidence. I want teams to decide games, not referees. If anything, this game has yet again made it clear that the need for such techniques is high.

Stop this bullshit, please.
Post of the month? +REP
 

HelterSkelter

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Apr 15, 2005
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Football is a fast paced game,and all these camerachecks in the game would totally ruin that.The level of refreeing should be improved,yes,but introducing Technology is not the right way to do that.Right now we're only talked about offsides..but in the future people will demand camerachecks for fouls,handballs,dives etc.It would make football slower,and much less attractive.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Video replays will totally ruin the flow of the game.Too many pauses etc..it would make the game less attractive.Plus refreeing mistakes are a part of the game.In a weird way,its what makes the game what it is.Football wouldnt be football without the drama and the controversies.
No, I'm sick of it. Without them Inter wouldn't have won this year's scudetto either. We need fair football, there are too many people getting involved in the game and I have a feeling some leagues and some tournaments aren't about the teams and players at all.
 

SmileBam

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May 23, 2008
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The offside rule was changed after the game against Holland. Toni was miles onside, yet his goal didn't stand. We're not asking for a special treatment, we're asking for fair referees. You know this is bullshit Andy.
Let me tell u something...we(romanians) lost a dozen of qualifiers because of the referees!We complained,but of course,we didn't had a chance!I'm sure there is no conspiracy against Italy,the referee was poor,that's all!And maybe it was God justice,that penalty was wasted!But why you don't look at what Italy is playing?Do you think yesterday Azzuri played better?Don't think so...and i tell you,i'm a fan of Italy and i've wished to qualify alongside us in the quarterfinals!Now,one of us will be out surely...
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Let me tell u something...we(romanians) lost a dozen of qualifiers because of the referees!We complained,but of course,we didn't had a chance!I'm sure there is no conspiracy against Italy,the referee was poor,that's all!And maybe it was God justice,that penalty was wasted!But why you don't look at what Italy is playing?Do you think yesterday Azzuri played better?Don't think so...and i tell you,i'm a fan of Italy and i've wished to qualify alongside us in the quarterfinals!Now,one of us will be out surely...
I refuse to look at tactics, players and team performances, when they are not the things that decide the game. If they use video referees we might start talking about the game again. Like you said perhaps Romania did lose a dozen of qualifiers, it's not about football anymore.

Oh, and yes, the Azzurri were a LOT better than Romania. They deserved to be 3-0 up by halftime.
 

HelterSkelter

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The basic problem here is refreering.Refrees in Italy are poorer or 'made to look poorer' than the ones in EPL or La Liga.We all know that the problem in Italy is corruption and not necessarily the ineptness of the officials.For that you need to increase the checks and balances outside the pitch.And maybe countries could trade refrees.That could be a good solution too.

You can have cameras in slow sports like Cricket,or even in Tennis,which is slower compared to Football..but Football is based on flow.Cameras would fuck that flow up.Even if Cameras are introudced,FIFA would probably bring up some moronic '5 refreering challenges per game rule' like in Tennis.It simply doesnt help the game.The beauty,the flow,the ambience..it all goes away.Yes i know not having cameras would make the game unfair as the best team might not always win,but the sheer beauty of the game would get spoiled.Controversies,wether we like or not,make up football.
 

Luca

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Apr 22, 2007
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You know what annoyed me yesterday ITV's pudits said Italy deserved to have the goal ruled offside and the penalty given against them because they have been cheating for years.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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The basic problem here is refreering.Refrees in Italy are poorer or 'made to look poorer' than the ones in EPL or La Liga.We all know that the problem in Italy is corruption and not necessarily the ineptness of the officials.For that you need to increase the checks and balances outside the pitch.

You can have cameras in slow sports like Cricket,or even in Tennis,which is slower compared to Football..but Football is based on flow.Cameras would fuck that flow up.Even if Cameras are introudced,FIFA would probably bring up some moronic '5 refreering challenges per game rule' like in Tennis.It simply doesnt help the game.It makes the game fairer,then the beauty,the flow,the ambience..it all goes away.
Look,

I don't want Inter to win year in year out because of referees. You can go to hell with your flow, your beauty and your ambience, because it's all not there. It's some guy in black or flashy yellow deciding everything. I don't want to go to the stadium to see him shine. It's moronic. I want a video referee so people cannot fix games.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Oh, and maybe people here don't realise it, but France deserved a penalty at the beginning of the second half. The fact UEFA didn't even consider showing enough replays makes it even worse. I mean, when De Rossi is taken down in the Romanian penalty area there are no replays, when Panucci touches a Romanian we get five. That's odd.
 

HelterSkelter

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Apr 15, 2005
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The introduction of cameras would not solve everything.The authority of it all would still be with the refree in the middle.He'd choose when he wants to go to the cameras.He could well avoid that and stamp his authority on the game when he wants to,using one excuse or the other.

People have yapped about how players are disrespectful to refrees.FIFA itself has spoken against it,and tried to stop it.Introducing cameras further demaens these refs,and the players would have a brand new excuse to swear at them.Do you expect FIFA to introudce a system that gives the players the right to question FIFA's refrees even more?FIFA would need to take a massive chunk out of its ego to do that,something which is unlikely.
 

Luca

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Apr 22, 2007
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Oh, and maybe people here don't realise it, but France deserved a penalty at the beginning of the second half. The fact UEFA didn't even consider showing enough replays makes it even worse. I mean, when De Rossi is taken down in the Romanian penalty area there are no replays, when Panucci touches a Romanian we get five. That's odd.
lol that part is kinda true and all. they must have replayed the romanians celebrating like 4 times and italy only once
 

SmileBam

Junior Member
May 23, 2008
112
Those romanians...they became the most influential in Europe!:) And 3-0 for Italy at half-time,c'mon,i understand you,you cannot be neutral...but 3-0?You we're better in first half,we we're better in the second...
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,347
The introduction of cameras would not solve everything.The authority of it all would still be with the refree in the middle.He'd choose when he wants to go to the cameras.He could well avoid that and stamp his authority on the game when he wants to,using one excuse or the other.

People have yapped about how players are disrespectful to refrees.FIFA itself has spoken against it,and tried to stop it.Introducing cameras further demaens these refs,and the players would have a brand new excuse to swear at them.Do you expect FIFA to introudce a system that gives the players the right to question FIFA's refrees even more?FIFA would need to take a massive chunk out of its ego to do that,something which is unlikely.
They have to if they want to protect refs. The true reason FIFA won't introduce such a system is the fact they're the most corrupt organisation in the world, organised crime being in second place.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Oh, and maybe people here don't realise it, but France deserved a penalty at the beginning of the second half. The fact UEFA didn't even consider showing enough replays makes it even worse. I mean, when De Rossi is taken down in the Romanian penalty area there are no replays, when Panucci touches a Romanian we get five. That's odd.
That was very funny. Even without the replay I could tell that he touched it with his hand. But it's pathetic after-all.

Euro 2008 is turning into Euro 2004 with the Italians.
 
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