Now THIS would not happen in Belgium, Turk. (1 Viewer)

Seven

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ds-starve-wives-who-withhold-sex-1740229.html


An Afghan law which legalised rape has been sent back to parliament with a clause letting husbands starve their wives if they refuse to have sex.


President Hamid Karzai ordered a review of the legislation after The Independent revealed that it negated the need for consent within marriage.

President Barack Obama described it as "abhorrent", Gordon Brown said Britain would "not tolerate" it, and other Nato countries threatened to withdraw their troops unless the legislation was drastically re-written.

The amendments were passed to the cabinet this week and signed by Mr Karzai on Wednesday, Human Rights Watch said last night.

The women's rights activist Wazhma Frough, who was involved in the review, said that conservative religious leaders had pressured the Justice Ministry to keep many of the most controversial clauses.

"There have been a few little changes, but they are not enough," she said. "For example, if the wife doesn't accept her husband's sexual requirements then he can deny her food."

According to civil society groups, the law, which regulates the personal affairs of Afghanistan's minority Shia community, still includes clauses which allow rapists to marry their victims as a way of absolving their crime and it tacitly approves child marriage. The law sparked riots in Kabul. Hundreds of Shia women took to the streets in protest. They were attacked by mobs of angry men who launched counter demonstrations outside the capital's largest Shia madrassa.

It is due to be ratified by parliament, which first passed the legislation in March with hardly any debate.

"Violence against women is already endemic," said Razia Jan, who is building a women's community centre in Afghanistan's Shia heartland, Bamiyan. "Men pay thousands of dollars for young girls and they are treated like slaves. Women here are already so vulnerable."

Critics claim that Mr Karzai signed the law to appease Shia leaders, ahead of the presidential polls on 20 August.


I don't really see the benefit of the law though. They can rape the woman anyway, so why starve her?
 

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Raz

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Seven you are claiming you are the supperior one here, but yet you are acting like a child.
 
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Seven

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    Seven you are claiming you are the supperior one here, but yet you are acting like a child.
    I think I'd have to do quite a lot to be the inferior one. I mean, raping and starving women? Jeez, I would have to do extremely well to do better than that.
     

    Raz

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    I'm not talking about that, I'm talkint about you going down to this Turk guys level. But I think you knew that.
     
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    Seven

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    I'm not talking about that, I'm talkint about you going down to this Turk guys level.
    It's like writing a letter to an analphabet. You can use fancy words and all, but he won't understand. You will have to go to him in person and tell him what you mean in easier words.

    Turk does not understand why his article was bullshit, so I'm going to make this real simple for him.
     

    Raz

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    I think my point still stands. And my suggestion to you would be, just let him be, or is he so important to you so that you have to go down to kindergardeners level? You won;t gain anything in winnig here.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    Turk does not understand why his article was bullshit, so I'm going to make this real simple for him.
    you're so pissed off because your compatriots are no better than Taliban when it comes to kill.

    keep denying

    Turkey Sends Diplomatic Note To Belgium

    Friday, 14 August 2009

    The Turkish government sent diplomatic note to the Belgian government on death of Turkish citizen Mikail Tekin in Belgian prison. Cause of Tekin's dealth is unknown, ANADOLU Turkish information agency said.

    According to ANADOLU information agency, Turkish foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu phoned his Belgian counterpart and asked to investigate cause of Tekin's death.

    http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/86745/-turkey-sends-diplomatic-note-to-belgium-.html


    another one

    Dutch march in memory of murdered Turkish businesswoman

    Some 200 people marched in Amsterdam on Wednesday evening in memory of Arzu Erbaş Çakmakçı, a Turkish businesswoman who was killed on Monday in the Dutch capital by unknown perpetrators.

    Çakmakçı, who had received awards and been received by the Dutch royal family for her charity work, was stabbed to death in the parking lot outside of a daycare center she owned. The attack took place in the evening just after the 33-year-old had locked up the Moeders Schoot childcare center, in the city's Geuzenveld district, and was walking to her car. She was married with two children.

    The 200-strong crowd, most of whom were of Dutch origin, gathered in front of the Moeders Schoot childcare center. The crowd, led by Geuzenveld-Slotermeer Mayor Robin de Bood, later started a five-kilometer-long march with Dutch and Turkish people walking hand in hand, while some of them carried torches.

    Following the silent marching escorted by police, people left flowers in front of the Moeders Schoot childcare center, as some of them prayed in the memory of Çakmakçı.

    “Our sorrow is very deep. Our district municipality lost a great businesswoman. We held a meeting with 200 families before the march and decided to reopen the childcare center on Monday to keep her memory alive,” de Bood told the crowd at the gathering.

    Amsterdam police, which assembled a 30-member team to investigate the murder, has been continuing a wide-range investigation to find the perpetrators of the murder. Çakmakçı's body was handed over to her husband, Hakkı Çakmakçı, following an autopsy. Her body was expected to be sent to Turkey late on Thursday in order to be buried in her hometown in the Black Sea province of Rize.

    Family members and friends said they had no idea why someone would want to kill Çakmakçı, although one family member said she had been receiving threats lately. Some Turkish media suggested she could have been the victim of a hate crime or xenophobia.

    14 August 2009, Friday
    BASRI ERDOĞAN AMSTERDAM
     
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    Seven

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    Are you out of your fucking mind? Afghanistan legalises rape, legalises STARVING women and THIS is your response? You're insane.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    Are you out of your fucking mind? Afghanistan legalises rape, legalises STARVING women and THIS is your response? You're insane.

    we can start discussing when you realize i don't give a shit about Afghan laws nor I support them. of course i would support Taliban when it comes to war against invaders but that does not mean i will approve everything they say.

    Islam does not legalises starving so this is not my problem.

    even though there is a big chance that you will ignore this FACT and continue your tradition; do NOT forget this

    Taliban, Afghanistan or another... Their wrongdoings can not be connected with Islam. They are NOT representives of Islam. EVERYBODY is responsible for their own sins.
     
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    Seven

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    we can start discussing when you realize i don't give a shit about Afghan laws nor I support them. of course i would support Taliban when it comes to war against invaders but that does not mean i will approve everything they say.

    Islam does not legalises starving so this is not my problem.

    even though there is a big chance that you will ignore this FACT and continue your tradition; do NOT forget this

    Taliban, Afghanistan or another... Their wrongdoings can not be connected with Islam. They are NOT representives of Islam. EVERYBODY is responsible for their own sins.
    This is funny, because it seemed as if I was held personally responsible for some woman dying in Amsterdam.

    And what about your statement? I thought Belgium was just as bad as the Taliban?

    Perhaps we should just legalise killing Turks then?
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    This is funny, because it seemed as if I was held personally responsible for some woman dying in Amsterdam.

    And what about your statement? I thought Belgium was just as bad as the Taliban?

    Perhaps we should just legalise killing Turks then?
    i am pointing rising Xenophobia and Islamophobia in Europe. maybe your media don't pay attention but this is happpening almost eveyday.
     
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    i am pointing rising Xenophobia and Islamophobia in Europe. maybe your media don't pay attention but this is happpening almost eveyday.
    Doesn't the fact that you have websites that specialise in this sort of news scare you? You have websites reporting stuff like "Turk dead in Amsterdam", "Muslim killed in Berlin", "Moroccan found dead in Brussels".

    Generally these websites provide no information on the person or the conflict. They limit the news to the death of a muslim. You know who else was very good at creating an atmosphere of victimhood?

    Come on, you know this one.. you know who did this back in the 1930's. These websites don't have pure motives, Turk.
     

    Geof

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    Turk, being a bit more nuanced than my countryman I agree with him that the headlines you show to us are a bit disturbing in the sense that they over-emphasize the ethnic/religious origin of a victim.
    No one denies the facts that you report about, but we don't look at it in the way you do. The guy who died in prison was just a guy like any other one. He does not get a different treatment because he is a Turk national or is from turkish origin.

    Your point appoint xenophobia is not entirely false; I am sometimes shocked by reactions of my fellow citizens, but this is the vast minority. You also have to acknowledge the fact that our society has changed quite rapidly in the last 30 years. Mass immigration (mostly from Morocco and Turkey) has completely changed the demographics and many (often older) people are afraid of it. Integrating immigrants is a responsibility for both parties involved and it's not an easy task. Many immigrants are doing fine, and FYI we have MP's and regional ministers of turkish origin, so I wouldn't exactly call turks oppressed in Belgium.

    BTW, you didn't mention the offensive comments of the Turkish ambassador in Belgium: Regarding a criminal trial against a Turkish terrorist group in Belgium (DHKP-C) he commented in Hürriyet:"Inch'Allah, it will happen to them (Belgium) too, then they will know what terrorism is." Perfect. Thank you.
     

    Enron

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    It's official Belgium is exterminating muslims. It's only a matter of time before the embassy in Constantinople is stormed.
     

    Sadomin

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    i am pointing rising Xenophobia and Islamophobia in Europe. maybe your media don't pay attention but this is happpening almost eveyday.
    Turk, as a muslim-looking person (most people don't know about my faith) living in Sweden I can tell you that xenophobia and islamophobia would be less of an issue if the muslim majority learnt how to adapt. I know tons of muslims and Middle Easterners who are respected, appreciated and very succesful and who'll never hear a bad word (from anyone worth listening to) about their origins.

    And yes, at least the media here is generally very pro-immigrant/politically correct. I don't know the situation in Belgium, but I am pretty certain that they don't have a hidden agenda towards muslims.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    BTW, you didn't mention the offensive comments of the Turkish ambassador in Belgium: Regarding a criminal trial against a Turkish terrorist group in Belgium (DHKP-C) he commented in Hürriyet:"Inch'Allah, it will happen to them (Belgium) too, then they will know what terrorism is." Perfect. Thank you.
    not that i approve ambassador but Belgium government was wrong in that case. They have protected a subcontractor terrorist group. trial is ongoing but nothing has happened. Fehriye Erdal has escaped(!) from his imprisonment. now nobody knows where she is.

    he isn't saying Insh'Allah, it will happen to Belgium btw

    ''Tanlay reportedly told Hürriyet that Belgium wants to sweep the matter under the carpet, adding that terrorism would strike the country and that only then would the people of Belgium understand what it is.''

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n....ish-ambassador-over-terror-remarks-2009-07-24
     

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