Nicolò Rovella (17 Viewers)

[Salvo]

For those that have seen him, where would he fit in here? Would be one of two sitting midfielders or is he more suitable in a CM trio? If he's in a trio, is he sitting deeper? a destroyer higher up or a playmaker? I've only see him play against us, and some short highlights that doesn't really give me any ideas. Glad to see him come, but if he is a destroyer I guess he'll do better than the rest of our CMs but our problem is that almost all of them are more or less destroyers. We need technical ability. So, does he add some flair?

In a 2 or 3

But he creates quite a bit, I'm pretty sure he is in like the top 5 for chance creation in the top leagues for his age bracket.

 

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[s4tch]

For those that have seen him, where would he fit in here? Would be one of two sitting midfielders or is he more suitable in a CM trio? If he's in a trio, is he sitting deeper? a destroyer higher up or a playmaker? I've only see him play against us, and some short highlights that doesn't really give me any ideas. Glad to see him come, but if he is a destroyer I guess he'll do better than the rest of our CMs but our problem is that almost all of them are more or less destroyers. We need technical ability. So, does he add some flair?

i tried to watch some genoa games. they are terrible and play random formations here and there. they played 3-5-2 sometimes, on other occasions it looked like a 3-4-something. badelj and rovella are the ones that try to dictate their game. rovella is the better passer. dunno how his stats are, but i bet he'd be a much better passer in a more fitting environment. as salvo wrote, he creates a lot for a player with his experience, he often plays forward, and what is important is that he can actually defend, unlike our mids who are (supposed to be) better with the ball than without it. he doesn't have khedira's or rabiot's build but more aggressive than those two combined. not very technical, he's not like a dribbler which i don't mind at all. i actually liked him every time i watched some of him. a bit raw which isn't surprising considering his age, but has a lot of potential.

 

[U Picciriddu]

He was underwhelming in most of the games that I’ve seen, yet I believe the hype I probably had bad luck in the games that I watched.

A midfield consisting of Rovella, McKennie and Loca should in theory have all the characteristics to be a complete midfield.

 

[il brutto]

In a 2 or 3

But he creates quite a bit, I'm pretty sure he is in like the top 5 for chance creation in the top leagues for his age bracket.

He's somewhat of set-piece specialist so would imagine that big portion of the chances created are from those. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing.

 

[DutchJuventino]

He's somewhat of set-piece specialist so would imagine that big portion of the chances created are from those. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing.

That's true, I think his main qualities are ball recovering from interruptions (bad passing by the opponent) and covering ground. He makes almost every match the most kilometres and he intterupt a lot of balls from the opponent. On the other side it is really weird, his tackling isn't that good because he is physically too skinny.

 

[s4tch]

He's somewhat of set-piece specialist so would imagine that big portion of the chances created are from those. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing.

he's not bad in key passes either. besides rovella, bajrami is the only other u23 player in the serie a top30 in that stat. he's got more key passes than luis alberto or any of our players besides cuadrado and dybala.

 

[DanielSz]

You're wrong. It happens.

the point is I don’t trust that Allegri would start Rovella consistently were we to bring him back in January. Would you?

 

[U Picciriddu]

the point is I don’t trust that Allegri would start Rovella consistently were we to bring him back in January. Would you?

Of course he would.

 

[DanielSz]

he's not bad in key passes either. besides rovella, bajrami is the only other u23 player in the serie a top30 in that stat. he's got more key passes than luis alberto or any of our players besides cuadrado and dybala.

Yeah, rovella averages 1.5 key passes a game. That’s ELITE for a regista. Looking at the players ranked above him in serie a, almost all of them play attacking positions.

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Of course he would.

I wish I had your confidence. This is the same guy that played MDS over Cancelo and Sandro over Spinazzola, and that’s just off the top of my head. I’m sure there are other examples.

 

[JuveJay]

the point is I don’t trust that Allegri would start Rovella consistently were we to bring him back in January. Would you?

No because I'm not really sure he is Juve quality yet. What you are suggesting is that Allegri will not start him simply because he is young, or a new signing.

 

[Knowah]

Adding Rovella would open up two possibilities. He could be slotted at Regista and that allows Locatelli to play more of a box-to-box role. With Locatelli's workrate and ability on defending and pressing, that would instantly improve our midfield in terms of defense and attacking. Or Rovella could be slotted as a box-to-box and with his engine and vision and passing that would increase the danger of our attacks instantly.

IMO no matter how you look at it Rovella getting put alongside Locatelli unlocks and entirely new aspects to our attack and makes us more threatening. Then you see the side effects and it becomes almost a no-brainer. For example, adding a pressing/attacking Rovella to the midfield unlocks Dybala from having to venture deep into the midfield to gain possession and create and thus it frees Dybala to do more wandering and running between defenders on attack instead of being worried about maintaining attack or unlocking a bus defense.

I really like the kid in the 10-12 matches of Genoa I've seen and think he'd be instantly a great fit with us alongside Locatelli. He just makes everybody better and frees up a lot of our creativeness that is currently being wasted to maintain possession or push possession into the opponent's third.

 

[Post Ironic]

Cancelo started the first 2 matches of the season and 14 of our first 20 matches in all comps when he came here. Then he got a meniscal injury and missed several matches before going back to starting most matches again.

That narrative though

 

[DanielSz]

No because I'm not really sure he is Juve quality yet.

you’re wrong. It happens.

Cancelo started the first 2 matches of the season and 14 of our first 20 matches in all comps when he came here. Then he got a meniscal injury and missed several matches before going back to starting most matches again.

That narrative though

Benched in the biggest game of the season vs Ajax.

 

[JuveJay]

We'll see won't we. Personally I'd bring him back for sure, but that's mostly because we have so much shit in midfield with no room for improvement. But the problem with young players is that too often we see the potential and think their growth could be exponential, and more often than not it doesn't turn out that way.

 

[DanielSz]

We'll see won't we. Personally I'd bring him back for sure, but that's mostly because we have so much shit in midfield with no room for improvement. But the problem with young players is that too often we see the potential and think their growth could be exponential, and more often than not it doesn't turn out that way.

My confusion was with “juve quality“ like what does that even mean anymore? He’d immediately be our second best mid, and that’s without any growth. And yeah playing for Juve is different than playing for a low table club, but at the same time he’s also gonna be surrounded by better players. He doesn’t have a Locatelli to make his job easier and is pretty much carrying Genoas midfield on his back as a teenager.

 

[s4tch]

Benched in the biggest game of the season vs Ajax.

and for a good reason, right? he was to blame for the goal ajax scored during the first leg, and had a terrible 2nd leg too when he came on for mds. and he was lucky a bit because a goal by tadic (or ziyech, not sure) after a cross from cancelo's side was called offside. it's a tough call to name our worst player over the two legs, still, cancelo is a good candidate despite his assist in amsterdam. he matured a lot ever since, but his example shows how much experience matters in critical situations.

btw i also have high hopes for rovella, and i'm sure allegri will start him within a couple of weeks if he's better than rabiot. mckennie became a starter the moment he sorted out his weight issues, and while he's a likeable guy for his grinta, his espresso jokes and shit, ideally he should be a bench player for juve. rovella will get his chance too if he's good enough. football at juventus requires a bit more than 2-3 good months at a low level club. just look at kulu how great he played for parma and how difficult his life is at juve. giovinco is an other good example. just calma.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Reports were saying that it’s Allegri who wants him back. Saw it on either J24 or CM last night.

I honestly don’t understand why people are doubting if he’d play.

 

[Post Ironic]

and for a good reason, right? he was to blame for the goal ajax scored during the first leg, and had a terrible 2nd leg too when he came on for mds. and he was lucky a bit because a goal by tadic (or ziyech, not sure) after a cross from cancelo's side was called offside. it's a tough call to name our worst player over the two legs, still, cancelo is a good candidate despite his assist in amsterdam. he matured a lot ever since, but his example shows how much experience matters in critical situations.

btw i also have high hopes for rovella, and i'm sure allegri will start him within a couple of weeks if he's better than rabiot. mckennie became a starter the moment he sorted out his weight issues, and while he's a likeable guy for his grinta, his espresso jokes and shit, ideally he should be a bench player for juve. rovella will get his chance too if he's good enough. football at juventus requires a bit more than 2-3 good months at a low level club. just look at kulu how great he played for parma and how difficult his life is at juve. giovinco is an other good example. just calma.

Was easily one of our worst players in those two legs. Was awful all through that period of the season. Dicking around with the ball, losing it constantly in dangerous positions, half-assing it defensively. Cost us multiple goals. And then reports of attitude and training problems. He was fantastic in the first third of the season, and terrible after that. It speaks volumes that even with Allegri getting sacked and Ronaldo staying (our relationship with Mendes good), and a Pep-lite coach coming in with Sarri, management still chose to get rid of Cancelo. Perhaps his failure here and move allowed him to grow up and mature with his attitude, and if it did, good for him, but there was a reason he was shipped out and it had nothing to do with Max, despite the narrative.

 

[jukazem]

and for a good reason, right? he was to blame for the goal ajax scored during the first leg, and had a terrible 2nd leg too when he came on for mds. and he was lucky a bit because a goal by tadic (or ziyech, not sure) after a cross from cancelo's side was called offside. it's a tough call to name our worst player over the two legs, still, cancelo is a good candidate despite his assist in amsterdam. he matured a lot ever since, but his example shows how much experience matters in critical.

Completely disagree. Cancelo was always top 3 best in our CL matches including Ajax 1st leg and MDS always bottom 3.

 

[Post Ironic]

Completely disagree. Cancelo was always top 3 best in our CL matches including Ajax 1st leg and MDS always bottom 3.

Wat?