No. I couldn't have. That's the bloody point. If there is any day people need to think about terrorism it's today. I just happened to see a picture of those two towers and I said I felt they were ugly and unsafe.
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And what does terrorism have to do with your opinion on the aesthetics of two skyscrapers?
On a day like this, people want to think about the tragedy, take a moment to remember the friends they lost when those two towers fell to the ground.
We'll think about terrorism every other day of the year. Every day we're fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, every day when the alarm bells ring on trainstations, every day when airports are being evacuated, every day when bombs consume our cities.
But not on an anniversary of something as big as this. Don't you get it? All that matters today is the people who died 4 years ago. At least give people the opportunity to remember their friends for the first five anniversaries after such a tragedy.
Then get back to us with plans and designs on how to improve the safety of skyscrapers tomorrow morning, 9am.
On a day like this, people want to think about the tragedy, take a moment to remember the friends they lost when those two towers fell to the ground.
We'll think about terrorism every other day of the year. Every day we're fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, every day when the alarm bells ring on trainstations, every day when airports are being evacuated, every day when bombs consume our cities.
But not on an anniversary of something as big as this. Don't you get it? All that matters today is the people who died 4 years ago. At least give people the opportunity to remember their friends for the first five anniversaries after such a tragedy.
Then get back to us with plans and designs on how to improve the safety of skyscrapers tomorrow morning, 9am.
That's simply not an argument, Erik. I see where you're going here, but that's not correct. I have lost many friends to malaria and I lost my grandfather to cancer. But that doesn't mean I know it so much better than someone who hasn't lost a loved one to a disease.
So no, I haven't lost a friend on an exploded train, but I have lost friends. In the end, the result is the same.
So no, I haven't lost a friend on an exploded train, but I have lost friends. In the end, the result is the same.
I've lost 5 relatives to cancer, there's a big difference between losing someone through an illness than through a terror attack.
Look we're obviously not going to agree here and I'm not going to go all grandmother on your ass by saying you should be more sensitive for the plain reason that I don't like to try and change people.
Just don't act surprised when you drop a bomb like that the next time and people pick at you for it will yer? It makes me feel... icky
Look we're obviously not going to agree here and I'm not going to go all grandmother on your ass by saying you should be more sensitive for the plain reason that I don't like to try and change people.
Just don't act surprised when you drop a bomb like that the next time and people pick at you for it will yer? It makes me feel... icky
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I've lost 5 relatives to cancer, there's a big difference between losing someone through an illness than through a terror attack.
Look we're obviously not going to agree here and I'm not going to go all grandmother on your ass by saying you should be more sensitive for the plain reason that I don't like to try and change people.
Just don't act surprised when you drop a bomb like that the next time and people pick at you for it will yer? It makes me feel... icky
I've lost 5 relatives to cancer, there's a big difference between losing someone through an illness than through a terror attack.
Look we're obviously not going to agree here and I'm not going to go all grandmother on your ass by saying you should be more sensitive for the plain reason that I don't like to try and change people.
Just don't act surprised when you drop a bomb like that the next time and people pick at you for it will yer? It makes me feel... icky
. The guy does look fit though.Second of all, I still don't think it was THAT bad. Sergio and Nick made it look like it was, but I didn't say anything that provocative or offensive. There's a difference in saying "the Americans had it coming" or "big buildings involve risks".
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First of all I blame Zlatan for that disgusting avatar. The guy does look fit though.
First of all I blame Zlatan for that disgusting avatar
. The guy does look fit though.
Couldn't resist
Just try to put yourself in their position before you touch your keyboard, OK Betsy? I gotta do it all day long in this horrible world full of straight people so I'm sure you can pull it off once or twice a day.
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Just try to put yourself in their position before you touch your keyboard, OK Betsy? I gotta do it all day long in this horrible world full of straight people so I'm sure you can pull it off once or twice a day.
Just try to put yourself in their position before you touch your keyboard, OK Betsy? I gotta do it all day long in this horrible world full of straight people so I'm sure you can pull it off once or twice a day.
.But I'm done with this. Whenever I post something about an issue like this, someone feels the need to attack me. I even could have simply said I was sorry this happened and I still would have been attacked. They probably would have thought I was being sarcastic to begin with.
So this time my mind's made up. I'm quitting this forum. Perhaps I'll return to posting when there's a friendlier environment, but ATM I'm done with ADP discussions and most of the Americans. Most of all Andy TBH. He abuses things like this, which is an utter disgrace.
Oh, and I don't want to be dramatic or anything here. I just don't really like it here anymore.
But to Seven's defense here, we as a collective society tend to elevate the tragedy and relative "merits" of deaths when they happen to take place in the context of mass disaster and mass murder. Meanwhile, the working single mom who loses her only child to gun violence in her own neighborhood has no monuments to her son's death, no dedicated days of social remembrance, etc., and yet her loss is as great and deeply painful as anyone's who lost a loved one in the Sept 11th tragedy.
That's not to say that we shouldn't recognize the horror of what happened on Sept 11th. But we should at least be aware of our human tendencies to express our sympathies, prayers, homages, and even our aid and support disproportionately to victims of front-page, acute disasters when compared to society's more chronic losses. For every wish to memorialize those who die in an airliner crash, there are far more victims and far less recognition given to those who die in equally tragic automobile accidents.
Relatedly, it's just human nature to be more fearful of airline travel than automobile travel. We're just mentally programmed to ignore the "small" stuff and focus on the big things. Even if the "small stuff" is collectively far more devastating as a whole.
That's not to say that we shouldn't recognize the horror of what happened on Sept 11th. But we should at least be aware of our human tendencies to express our sympathies, prayers, homages, and even our aid and support disproportionately to victims of front-page, acute disasters when compared to society's more chronic losses. For every wish to memorialize those who die in an airliner crash, there are far more victims and far less recognition given to those who die in equally tragic automobile accidents.
Relatedly, it's just human nature to be more fearful of airline travel than automobile travel. We're just mentally programmed to ignore the "small" stuff and focus on the big things. Even if the "small stuff" is collectively far more devastating as a whole.
TBH, IMO Seven is just like my grandfather: If I, or someone else for that matter, says: "the sky is blue", he'll immidiately say "Fuck no, the sky aint blue!" "What color is it then, gramps?" "I dont know sonny, but it aint blue!"
He always has to be on the opposing end of an argument.
Really Seven, thats incredibly poor timing and lack of tact.
He always has to be on the opposing end of an argument.
Really Seven, thats incredibly poor timing and lack of tact.
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To Erik and Paul who GET it ... Thank you. The comments may not have been anti-American but they were a) made at the wrong time and not by coincidence...he is one of those guys that will say anything to spark a 'bad' reaction and go against any sort of 'tide' or solidarity that may exist...you guys 'understood' ... it is appreciated.
Sergio: Why make him win? He's only point was to 'test the waters' and see what type of reaction he will get...fvck him. He's gone and if he comes back here I'll make sure he doesn't want to post here again..your a much more valuable poster on Juve and beyond than he can ever be.
First time I arrived here and took the Milan-Juve discussion to a certain level I was greeted with sh*t slinging insults .. (I too was not innocent in certain aspects) but one poster decided to drop the MILAN AND YOUR MOTHER SUCK posts and welcomed the 'change' and 'diverse football opinion'. You convinced me to stay....now do the same bro
Sergio: Why make him win? He's only point was to 'test the waters' and see what type of reaction he will get...fvck him. He's gone and if he comes back here I'll make sure he doesn't want to post here again..your a much more valuable poster on Juve and beyond than he can ever be.
First time I arrived here and took the Milan-Juve discussion to a certain level I was greeted with sh*t slinging insults .. (I too was not innocent in certain aspects) but one poster decided to drop the MILAN AND YOUR MOTHER SUCK posts and welcomed the 'change' and 'diverse football opinion'. You convinced me to stay....now do the same bro
