Nick Against the World (52 Viewers)
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Well perhaps...however it's the same story as my peers for my father and all the people I know his age.
If you want to look for people who may not know where Holland is located look no further than Hickland USA...a place where conservative notions are just as common as miles and miles of wheat fields (the word notion might be too formal for this part of the country). Hickland citizens seem to care more about making sure their guns aren't being taken away by the Liberal contingent than how much money they have in their wallets or how decent of an education their youngsters are recieving. Let alone do they even bother to wonder where the hell Holland is located...but I suppose unworldly views go hand in hand with living sheltered lives.
If you want to look for people who may not know where Holland is located look no further than Hickland USA...a place where conservative notions are just as common as miles and miles of wheat fields (the word notion might be too formal for this part of the country). Hickland citizens seem to care more about making sure their guns aren't being taken away by the Liberal contingent than how much money they have in their wallets or how decent of an education their youngsters are recieving. Let alone do they even bother to wonder where the hell Holland is located...but I suppose unworldly views go hand in hand with living sheltered lives.
Sure. I have no family ties to Juventus, no real connection between me and the city of Torino, no real reason to support Juventus besides the fact I don't live in Europe. Therefore I can't just pick my city team...it's not that easy.
Obviously I can't call Nick a gloryhunter for supporting Milan or jaecole a gloryhunter for supporting Liverpool, however I can call people who don't support their own National Team gloryhunters...I will call them that for as long as I live. Especially living in the US where real football needs all the support it can get...unless you have family ties to another country that draws your heart to their NT, you better be supporting your own country.
As for me supporting Juve for "no apparent reason," as I stated earlier I understand why people would say that and believe I'm a gloryhunter. I have given my reasons for supporting Juve in the past, however the explanations have been followed up by the usual "that's crap you're a gloryhunter" so there is no point trying to argue the validity of me being a Juventino. It's almost like you want the club to go through a bad spell just to prove your worth as a supporter, however that is not something you would want to wish for your club and the supposed "real supporters."
We could also start another debate over whether or not gloryhunters can be considered true fans...that is where things get touchy though.
Obviously I can't call Nick a gloryhunter for supporting Milan or jaecole a gloryhunter for supporting Liverpool, however I can call people who don't support their own National Team gloryhunters...I will call them that for as long as I live. Especially living in the US where real football needs all the support it can get...unless you have family ties to another country that draws your heart to their NT, you better be supporting your own country.
As for me supporting Juve for "no apparent reason," as I stated earlier I understand why people would say that and believe I'm a gloryhunter. I have given my reasons for supporting Juve in the past, however the explanations have been followed up by the usual "that's crap you're a gloryhunter" so there is no point trying to argue the validity of me being a Juventino. It's almost like you want the club to go through a bad spell just to prove your worth as a supporter, however that is not something you would want to wish for your club and the supposed "real supporters."
We could also start another debate over whether or not gloryhunters can be considered true fans...that is where things get touchy though.
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What about for example the first second or third generations Italians over-seas ..the Australians, Americans and Canadians who had parents or grandparents come over and sports wise were only passionate about football/soccer...its normal for their kids to emulate the parent and cheer on the same team if the sport is their "cup of tea".
In fact that is why there are more Juve fans in these nations among Italians than most..the WWII and post WWII exodus were Juve fans (no surprise that Juve has the most fans throughout Italy) and naturally their kids took a liking..unfortunately many (no offense Vin, Pado and Sergio) knew jack-sh*t about the game except the words "JUVE IS THE BEST" even in the late 80's early 90's when the significant OTHER TEAM was ripping Europe like no other team had done or will do...(period).
So the question is what is the son of an immigrant from Palermo, from Campobasso or from Calabria to do if he likes the game..support his local team even though he has never been and in some cases will never go and more importantly a team that has no first second and sometimes even third division team? No, they continue to cheer on the same team.
Sometimes you must also ask...Who is more passionate or who does the team belong to more?
The kid who lives in Milan that is surrounded by everything Milan and who lives in a city that gets 22 hours of football coverage a day with groups and groups of friends who all like the same team (i.e. its the IN thing) or the kid thousands of miles away who grew up getting snippets of information about his team..never seeing them play but once a month and not having a plethora of friends to discuss the team with or be excited about their 'big win'...basically, being passionate about a team that most of his friends/neighbors don't know exists...
WHO is really making SUPPORTING the team ....
I agree believe it or not.
In fact that is why there are more Juve fans in these nations among Italians than most..the WWII and post WWII exodus were Juve fans (no surprise that Juve has the most fans throughout Italy) and naturally their kids took a liking..unfortunately many (no offense Vin, Pado and Sergio) knew jack-sh*t about the game except the words "JUVE IS THE BEST" even in the late 80's early 90's when the significant OTHER TEAM was ripping Europe like no other team had done or will do...(period).
So the question is what is the son of an immigrant from Palermo, from Campobasso or from Calabria to do if he likes the game..support his local team even though he has never been and in some cases will never go and more importantly a team that has no first second and sometimes even third division team? No, they continue to cheer on the same team.
Sometimes you must also ask...Who is more passionate or who does the team belong to more?
The kid who lives in Milan that is surrounded by everything Milan and who lives in a city that gets 22 hours of football coverage a day with groups and groups of friends who all like the same team (i.e. its the IN thing) or the kid thousands of miles away who grew up getting snippets of information about his team..never seeing them play but once a month and not having a plethora of friends to discuss the team with or be excited about their 'big win'...basically, being passionate about a team that most of his friends/neighbors don't know exists...
WHO is really making SUPPORTING the team ....
I agree believe it or not.
When you follow a certain national team since you were 8 or 10 years old, and you keep on following that team through all the miseries they went through, a feeling of support starts to grow. Of course it reamins different than the affection towards your own national team but still, there will be stronger feelings involved.
I like the example that Erik made about Lichtenshtein, but I can give you another example of my home country. I have the same situation as a native from Lichtenshtein. Apart from watching the games on TV, I've been to my country's WC qualifications for the past 2 world cups and I cannot but say that I left the stadium with tears in my eyes.
Do you still consider following another nation's NT retarted?
I like the example that Erik made about Lichtenshtein, but I can give you another example of my home country. I have the same situation as a native from Lichtenshtein. Apart from watching the games on TV, I've been to my country's WC qualifications for the past 2 world cups and I cannot but say that I left the stadium with tears in my eyes.
Do you still consider following another nation's NT retarted?
I doubt that, and even if that is true, so what? We outplayed Spain and Serbia at home, and were robbed in Valencia. We got 3 points when we should have got 9, doesnt mean shit now.
We are lucky enough to be able to determine our fate. With two wins we will surely progress, Spain's match will only determine if we'd go through as first or second.
It will be fucking hard in Belgrade tho.
