The thing is... that little word seems... It seems... Why does it seem... Surely it seems due to the number of people caught... But if other sports arent testing how can we compare ?
We cant!
You also have to look to the point that not one single rider, races for 3000kms...
The likes of armstrong, ulle, basso only race for 6 or 7 days... the rest of the time sitting in a little bubble , expending hardly any energy as their team and the peloton pull them along....
Same for the sprinters, on the mountain days or tt's they jus sit in and judge their pace to beat the time limit within a like minded group... they use little energy
But then... are we only talking about epo? or are we talking about testosterone use, insulin use, hgh use etc etc... Different sports, different questions and different answers....
You also have to forget the tdf... the tdf is not cycling, it is but a small piece of a much bigger pie... Can that same argument be used for the single day classics.. The likes of milan san remo or paris roubaix or indeed the world championships ?
Do we not look to an entire weight lifting squad pulling out jus days before the olympics under rumours of failed internal tests...
Do we not look at the likes of the year the epo test was introduced and many of the worlds top athletes threatening to pull out of the london marathon if the test was used... Of course it was never used and they took part...
It goes on and on... the basic test failures and accusations in sports like football, tennis , athletics, baseball, swimming and skiing... What if they did proper testing ??
I agree, but many associations (especially of a smaller sport on a world scale ) would have rode it out and forgotten about the events...
I dont really see that... How far this spread was not known at the time (not more than guess' anyway) ... As far as the world needed to know it was jus one team... Festina , as in your example of juve... The big difference is that cycling is a collective and rather than in football where others distanced themselves from juve with suspicious glances... Cycling embraced itself and stood up for itself...
Well you need to remove voet from that... hes jus a soignuer a dispenser and scapegoat... not medically trained or in control... Jus doing his job
Who knows.. the only widely known ones are Ferrari and the horse doctor... Are there others ?... More than likely...
Are there others in football ?? Who knows... jus as likely as within cycling...
Is it not also true that Ferrari himself has worked with many football teams / players and participants in various other sports ??
It is indeed... are we to believe that this well known Dr of doping has only done legitimate work within other sports whilst doping cyclists ??
Sounds unlikely to me...
Of course... but do you still see that today ??
No you dont... At a time when we all know the majority were guilty they stuck togeather and seperated from those that questioned... A natural reaction that we virtually never see anymore in this new cleaner era... besides a couple of incidents with lance for example...
Many people have come out and spoken over the last few years... but you also have to remember... alot of the riders today are the same people and have the same friends.... They may be riding clean but They are silent out of loyalty
You also forget that unlike footballers... your average cyclist earns peanuts... Very few cyclists can afford to live off the back of their careers... Once its over thay need to find a job... So to cut your chances of continuing or improving is jus plain stupid...
They havent got 100s of thousands or milions in the bank... so they can speak out and lose their career without also losing their ability to live as footballers can
Hes cheating professionally... But again you are looking to past times... not to what we have today, what has been achieved.
If you are gonna look back to these times of trouble... there are many other lines you can look to...
How about... If in a time when as much as 90% of the peloton are doping.. If you too dope... Are you cheating ?? Or are you jus putting yourself on the same playing field and as such with everyone doing it... A fair playing ground ???
Morally wrong... but that doesnt make it untrue... Food for thought...
Though i find the idea disturbing... I know i agree to a certain extent...
Why does armstrongs alleged doping bother me whilst i adore the likes of pantani and virenque, both of whom doped...
(Also backing up the idea of the fair doped playng field... You can look to virenque... who doped to the eyeballs in the doping heyday and was succesful... then once he returned as the most monitored man in sport... a guy whose Hm level dropped from 49.9 in 98 to 43.1 for the rest of his career... in this new nearly clean sport as a clean rider... he again was succesful... Goes along way to prove the idea... )
For a few reasons... Firstly with armstrong i am bothered by the fact that unlike those before him... He doped (allegedly) in the new clean era against clean riders... Not like thjose of the past...
But mostly this persona he has built as the rising hero... Rising out of the ashes of cancer to take on the world and win... A true modern day fairy story...
All those that have been moved by him to fight their own illness' ... wher are they left now that their hero is fallen... Now he lied to then all... Again they are alone and scared and without hope...
I am against the idea of a man that builds only around the tour... It annoys me so much when i hear lance described as the best ever etc... when he never competed elsewhere... Can he really be compared to eddy or hinualt or lemond etc etc or even the likes of rominger, roche or indurain... they all did more than lance
Whilst the climbs are the best sporting specatacle and a great climber is stunning to watch... I also love the time trial... There is little like the real man against the road of watching the pure power of the likes of Ulle pushing that big gear and ripping up the tar mac... The true test of cycling...
No coincidence that the hour record is the most reveared prize in cycling
Cunego... When he learns some respect and realises that the likes of simoni could of taught him so much rather than disrespecting him and argueing with him.... He will be a great rider...
Indeed, few things match up to those mountain days... Though for me Pantani on the mortirolo will live in my memory much longer than his scintilating ride on alp d'huez...
Its a tragic story... But does how it turned out really change how you think of him... Or make you forget how much enjoyment you got from those days ??
We cant!
You also have to look to the point that not one single rider, races for 3000kms...
The likes of armstrong, ulle, basso only race for 6 or 7 days... the rest of the time sitting in a little bubble , expending hardly any energy as their team and the peloton pull them along....
Same for the sprinters, on the mountain days or tt's they jus sit in and judge their pace to beat the time limit within a like minded group... they use little energy
But then... are we only talking about epo? or are we talking about testosterone use, insulin use, hgh use etc etc... Different sports, different questions and different answers....
You also have to forget the tdf... the tdf is not cycling, it is but a small piece of a much bigger pie... Can that same argument be used for the single day classics.. The likes of milan san remo or paris roubaix or indeed the world championships ?
Do we not look to an entire weight lifting squad pulling out jus days before the olympics under rumours of failed internal tests...
Do we not look at the likes of the year the epo test was introduced and many of the worlds top athletes threatening to pull out of the london marathon if the test was used... Of course it was never used and they took part...
It goes on and on... the basic test failures and accusations in sports like football, tennis , athletics, baseball, swimming and skiing... What if they did proper testing ??
I agree, but many associations (especially of a smaller sport on a world scale ) would have rode it out and forgotten about the events...
I dont really see that... How far this spread was not known at the time (not more than guess' anyway) ... As far as the world needed to know it was jus one team... Festina , as in your example of juve... The big difference is that cycling is a collective and rather than in football where others distanced themselves from juve with suspicious glances... Cycling embraced itself and stood up for itself...
Well you need to remove voet from that... hes jus a soignuer a dispenser and scapegoat... not medically trained or in control... Jus doing his job
Who knows.. the only widely known ones are Ferrari and the horse doctor... Are there others ?... More than likely...
Are there others in football ?? Who knows... jus as likely as within cycling...
Is it not also true that Ferrari himself has worked with many football teams / players and participants in various other sports ??
It is indeed... are we to believe that this well known Dr of doping has only done legitimate work within other sports whilst doping cyclists ??
Sounds unlikely to me...
Of course... but do you still see that today ??
No you dont... At a time when we all know the majority were guilty they stuck togeather and seperated from those that questioned... A natural reaction that we virtually never see anymore in this new cleaner era... besides a couple of incidents with lance for example...
Many people have come out and spoken over the last few years... but you also have to remember... alot of the riders today are the same people and have the same friends.... They may be riding clean but They are silent out of loyalty
You also forget that unlike footballers... your average cyclist earns peanuts... Very few cyclists can afford to live off the back of their careers... Once its over thay need to find a job... So to cut your chances of continuing or improving is jus plain stupid...
They havent got 100s of thousands or milions in the bank... so they can speak out and lose their career without also losing their ability to live as footballers can
Hes cheating professionally... But again you are looking to past times... not to what we have today, what has been achieved.
If you are gonna look back to these times of trouble... there are many other lines you can look to...
How about... If in a time when as much as 90% of the peloton are doping.. If you too dope... Are you cheating ?? Or are you jus putting yourself on the same playing field and as such with everyone doing it... A fair playing ground ???
Morally wrong... but that doesnt make it untrue... Food for thought...
Though i find the idea disturbing... I know i agree to a certain extent...
Why does armstrongs alleged doping bother me whilst i adore the likes of pantani and virenque, both of whom doped...
(Also backing up the idea of the fair doped playng field... You can look to virenque... who doped to the eyeballs in the doping heyday and was succesful... then once he returned as the most monitored man in sport... a guy whose Hm level dropped from 49.9 in 98 to 43.1 for the rest of his career... in this new nearly clean sport as a clean rider... he again was succesful... Goes along way to prove the idea... )
For a few reasons... Firstly with armstrong i am bothered by the fact that unlike those before him... He doped (allegedly) in the new clean era against clean riders... Not like thjose of the past...
But mostly this persona he has built as the rising hero... Rising out of the ashes of cancer to take on the world and win... A true modern day fairy story...
All those that have been moved by him to fight their own illness' ... wher are they left now that their hero is fallen... Now he lied to then all... Again they are alone and scared and without hope...
I am against the idea of a man that builds only around the tour... It annoys me so much when i hear lance described as the best ever etc... when he never competed elsewhere... Can he really be compared to eddy or hinualt or lemond etc etc or even the likes of rominger, roche or indurain... they all did more than lance
Whilst the climbs are the best sporting specatacle and a great climber is stunning to watch... I also love the time trial... There is little like the real man against the road of watching the pure power of the likes of Ulle pushing that big gear and ripping up the tar mac... The true test of cycling...
No coincidence that the hour record is the most reveared prize in cycling
Cunego... When he learns some respect and realises that the likes of simoni could of taught him so much rather than disrespecting him and argueing with him.... He will be a great rider...
Indeed, few things match up to those mountain days... Though for me Pantani on the mortirolo will live in my memory much longer than his scintilating ride on alp d'huez...
Its a tragic story... But does how it turned out really change how you think of him... Or make you forget how much enjoyment you got from those days ??
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