Nick Against the World (30 Viewers)

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Woa, don't go that far Nicola. We thank Berlusca for the little kindness after one of his own players injured one of our's, however I can still hear those "vaffanculos" clamoring from the Bel Paese.

And anyway, aren't Italians smarter than that? In the Season With Verona book Tim Parks writes about when the Brigate went down to the Bari game, and one of the Gialloblu fans lost his special Verona hat...it flew towards the Bari section in the stands that was controlled by the police. The Verona fan screamed to the Police, however they wouldn't do anything about it. Then the fan protested and asked the Bari supporters to fetch his hat for him, and kindly enough they did, luckily enough, throwing it back to him. The Brigate broke out in a song of praise to the Bari supporters, "Forza Bari," and there seemed to be a general feeling of compassion between the two groups. Then shortly after kickoff, the Brigate continued their usual "Bari Bari vaffanculo!" and the home side fought back with their anti-Veronese slander.

Is this the norm in Italy? If one party makes a very nice gesture towards the other, such as in the case above, or Berlusca loaning us Abbiati, the other group is eager to give them thanks, almost following an unwritten law in Italian culture. However, when the good deed is forgotten and all is well again, the animosity seems to return and both parties continue on with their old ways. I can tell you one thing, Milan will not recieve any songs of praise when we meet them later this season (so I assume). So could this Berlusca ploy actually succeed in such an enviorment of thanks but no thanks?

Funnily enough, after my experience with Italy, that's not how I read that part of the book. In my opinion; it would be a sign of no respect to quit chanting against Bari. The return of the hat was a small favour, so a small thank you followed. To carry that through the entire match, would have made it almost sarcastic and would have shown a lack of respect towards Bari; whom are apparently so weak they needn't be chanted against.

There seems to be an unwritten law in Italy that says you are to treat your enemies with the same respect you treat your friends.

But I could be wrong. I'm still Dutch after all.

 

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[The Pado]

... and wanking in wooden shoes?

Hey, don't blame me, it's that sick perverted Greg

 

[Slagathor]

No only the best dare to do that. It's very risky :frown:

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
just glad we got a decent 'keeper to fill in , Thanks Berlusca !!!

If I lived in Italy, I'd vote for him !!!

As of election 2006, living in Italy will no longer be a prerequisite for voting.

EDIT : it never has been in fact. You just needed to get back there if you wanted to vote.

EDIT II : and that was just for general elections. I could already vote from here for last years' EP elections.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Btw, don't know who said this (Andy I think) : we don't have presidential elections. Berlusca is the President of the Council, i.e. the Prime Minister. The President of the Republic is Carlo Azeglio Ciampi and he is elected by the Parliament.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
You'd ban me on what grounds exactly..

Oh I don't know laughing off one's groups beliefs and implying it is moronic and a load of horsesh*t ...


Your right...this story does go around in circles...my point was made..so was yours...while you may have been 'mod material' you certainly climbed down the ladder.
Then again, Zlatan has been selected Mod for ass kissing reasons and because he is the lesser of many evils so I guess the bar has lowered considerably.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++


As of election 2006, living in Italy will no longer be a prerequisite for voting.

EDIT : it never has been in fact. You just needed to get back there if you wanted to vote.

EDIT II : and that was just for general elections. I could already vote from here for last years' EP elections.

True...my family recently received their abstentee ballots for a referendum on stem cell research and they have not lived in Italy for over 30 years.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Good post but the difference here is that there is a greater stake at play: POWER. Berlusca is losing his grip on popularity due to his lax on dire economic issues and spending too much time defending himself rather than 'leading'. I think he can do it but thats another discussion.
Fan rivalry will never die...and believe it or not while Juventini, Romanisti and Laziale may hate Berlusca they voted for him. Berlusca's move was very coy and went beyond Milan and Juve's cordial relationship...while they will continue with the "Serie B" chants they will easily give in to a 'why not' when faced with Berlusca's name on the ballot.
Its not a sure thing but it does more good than bad for his popularity. More over, the Agnelli's have always been Berlusca supporters and its no surprise that Berlusca wants his fans too. They are much more willing to bend on political views than club colors.

Btw, Nick -- this is the best explanation I've heard yet for Berlu's behavior on the Abbiati issue. I can only imagine it has a lot of milaniste scratching their heads if not for this sort of logic.

But while there's a chance for some good will over this among Juve fans, it's also true that Juve are the most hated club in all Italy. Perhaps this is a calculated gamble on his part? ... i.e., assuming he will be remembered at the polls by juventini but the anti-Juve contingent won't really hold this against him?

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


True...my family recently received their abstentee ballots for a referendum on stem cell research and they have not lived in Italy for over 30 years.

Right, you bullshit artist. Since when does Italy allow convicted felons, serving time in foreign prisons, to vote in its national elections?


GOT 'CHA

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
PROTEST UPDATE


I have not pounded the pine in 3 days!

I'm out.

Launched one into the back of the net this morning :down:

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

Then again, Zlatan has been selected Mod for ass kissing reasons and because he is the lesser of many evils so I guess the bar has lowered considerably.

Yet not low enough for you to be offered the job. And try to back up the shit that comes out of your mouth and find some eveidence of your claims. Can you do that?



Didnt think so.

 

[The Pado]

Kick his ass, Z-man

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Then again, Zlatan has been selected Mod for ass kissing reasons and because he is the lesser of many evils so I guess the bar has lowered considerably.

He was chosen on current/former moderator recommendations to the new owner, and was also the popoular choice from the mod poll. Simply put he was the best man for the job. That sounds like a serious case of sour grapes by the way

And you're right I did lower myself considerably, almost to your level in fact, which is why I resigned. After that I'm free to be a jackass without the responsibility of having to set examples.

 

[The Pado]

Face it Nick, you are properly regarded as a big pile of steaming fertilizer around this forum. Do you ever ask yourself why people just don't like you?

I like you Nick, but don't go by me, I like sheep.

 

[jaecole]

Would you whiny little bastards stop crying about not being made a mod.

Geez..

 

[Slagathor]

I only vote because I don't want my votes to go to some moronic opposition party

Is that wrong for someone who studied several political subjects?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


He was chosen on current/former moderator recommendations to the new owner, and was also the popoular choice from the mod poll. Simply put he was the best man for the job. That sounds like a serious case of sour grapes by the way

And you're right I did lower myself considerably, almost to your level in fact, which is why I resigned. After that I'm free to be a jackass without the responsibility of having to set examples.

My levels? I am many things but an ignorant person who does not respect others views simply because I don't believe them is not one of them: we have a name for people like that...racists...but I digress.

Trust me Cowboy....you have many more saddles to ride.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Face it Nick, you are properly regarded as a big pile of steaming fertilizer around this forum. Do you ever ask yourself why people just don't like you?

I like you Nick, but don't go by me, I like sheep.

People love routine...people don't like change...they also don't like to be reminded of their shortcomings or facing the music: something I do and do well.... :cheesy:

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Yet not low enough for you to be offered the job. And try to back up the shit that comes out of your mouth and find some eveidence of your claims. Can you do that?



Didnt think so.

Your breath smells like sh*t...thats proof enough

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++


Right, you bullshit artist. Since when does Italy allow convicted felons, serving time in foreign prisons, to vote in its national elections?


GOT 'CHA

I purposely stated "my family" and not a specific member :groan: More over, despite the RICO ACT and all its bullsh*t no one in 'da famiglia' was stripped of their citizenship simply because in reality they owned a few construction companies and owned some 'stock' in the Fulton Fish Market ...