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Dec 27, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Reading this matter up in a book is not always the most reliable way to form opinions, and considering I have only been following European football since 98, I was not entirely sure of how Capello set his team out on the pitch. I do, though, concur with you in your statement that Capello makes-do with what he has available before him; that's pretty obvious.

What I tend to think, when looking back at that success in the 90's and looking at our current squad, it's rather obvious Capello is using the same base tactics as he did with Milan. Throughout his career he seems to be very insistent on playing with two defensive midfielders, all the way up to his Roma days and last year with Juventus. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but in 95 I believe Capello played the gifted playmaker Boban out on the right of midfield, and for a player who craves basically a free role behind the strikers he must have been played out of position. The weapons Capello had at his disposal...Savicevic, Boban, Donadoni, Baggio, etc...would make you think he would play a little bit more attractive instead of holding true to a straight 4-4-2 formation. I can't help but think Capello favors midfield collectiveness and strength in front of the defense instead of using the more gifted players to roam in attack. Capello did indeed make use with what was available to him, however he had a lot more weapons with Milan than now with Juventus.

Then when I see a signing like Vieira instead of perhaps Pizarro or another gifted playmaker who could settle into a 4-4-2 system, I think it's obvious what Capello is trying to do...strength in midfield with players who can basically do it all. Now looking at our current roster, I think that's all we are capable of at the moment, and without the purchase of another attacking midfielder, we will have the same mentality as last season.
Boban had initially been bought to become Rijkaard’s successor, which he quickly proved not to be. He’s been used in virtually every positions in midfield, and actually was more of a stopgap in his first few seasons before playing a prominent part in the team. Basically it’s only in Capello’s last year and under Zaccheroni that he was finally used as a playmaker, and in 95 he basically swapped sides with Donadoni, with some success. I don’t think Capello didn’t give him a free role before because of his tactics, though. Imo it’s got more to do with the fact that he was still somewhat unproven and didn’t have what it took yet to follow the steps of his illustrious predecessors.

Still, with the exception of the 4-0 demolition of Barca, the Milan that won the CL under Capello was a poor copy of the one that reached the final by winning all its games the year before. Sure, there was still much quantity, but the quality or rather the consistency were lacking. Savicevic was a genius that could lob Zubizarretta from 40 meters, but hardly the kind of player you would rely on to win you a scudetto. Boban was a good player reaching his prime but far from a leader yet. Donadoni’s star was declining (as was Papin’s), and Baggio never made an impact. So really, playing attractive football wasn’t the easiest thing to do for Capello, nor was it his main concern. To be consistent throughout the year, he needed to add some muscles to team, which materialized into the purchase of Dessailly in January. Of course Cruyff felt the need to say on the eve of the CL final that the difference between Barca and Milan was that the former had bought Romario while the latter were content with Dessailly, and that this would be for all to see the following night. And boy, did we see.

On the whole though, I don’t think a strong defensive midfield is Capello’s trademark. I mean, that’s a system a majority of coaches use. It’s just that like a good closet disciple of the Sacchi doctrine, Capello wants 1) a strong defensive line on which to build 2) a compact team capable to press its opponent 3) A striker whose initials are MVB.
 

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Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++
14 Million?????

You've got to be kidding me.

Juve paid less than that for a superior player in Emerson last year.

Ugh, this just gets worse.


And yes, I hate this transfer. And Andy, sometimes its better to not spend money at all instead of throwing 14 million at Arsenal for Vieira. I bet the braintrust at Highbury are laughing all the way to the bank
1. I don't see how Emerson is a "far superior" player to Vieira. Infact I think the latter is better with the ball ast his feet.

2. For this position, quality, and price, what player could have been a better buy for Juventus? Gerrard? Not gonna happen. Essien? Too expensive. Lampard? No way in hell. Mascherano? Already tied up by Chelsea. Fact of the matter is there was nobody as good as Vieira available for purchase this summer that fits Capello's demands.

3. Why would we splash out 14 million for Mancini and Cassano, or in other words, players we don't actually need. We already have a very strong forward line, so Cassano is not really needed. We already have Camoranesi, a player who was fantastic last season for Capello, that fills the right flank, Mancini's best position.

Vieira is a top quality central midfielder who IMO would probably be a better fit for Serie A instead of the hustle and bustle of the EPL. I am very excited to see Vieira line up next to Emerson for Juventus next season, and that's not only because I despise Blasi.
 

The Pado

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++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
Viera is a fantastic signing. He is an amazing player and he should be impressive in Serie A, though that said he was hardly great last time :D
Yes. I, too, support this signing. The midfield of Camo - Emo - Viera - Nedved is strong as any. Well done Mr. Moggi.
 
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    Zlatty....Sorry AcidWashboy, I don't post pics for various reasons .. insecurity and lack of confidence is not one of them. Anyhow, people have decided to do it for me....if that VIEW is not clear enough for you than sorry pal but you'll just have to JACK it off to one of the many other pics of the men in this forum.

    Andy...I spoke about this before. Capello international record with Milan was downright terrible....if a coach was ever to blame for a loss..some of those games are classic examples: benching Savicevic with no explanation and so on.
     

    JCK

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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    Andy..while I respect Vieira despite dumping him in his early days because he apparently did not 'fit in' I don't think he is the PIECE OF THE PUZZLE that will bring Juve to the CL Final. Losing Emerson would be a big blow..I don't think it will happen.

    Oddly, Milan announced they are 'dumping' JDT to Benfica...I actually like him and is less injury prone than the media-boys Vieri and Inzaghi
    You mean the love birds? :D

    A picture of Vieri in the Milan jersey




    Not photoshoped.
     
    Sep 28, 2002
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    ++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++
    14 Million?????

    You've got to be kidding me.

    Juve paid less than that for a superior player in Emerson last year.

    Ugh, this just gets worse.


    And yes, I hate this transfer. And Andy, sometimes its better to not spend money at all instead of throwing 14 million at Arsenal for Vieira. I bet the braintrust at Highbury are laughing all the way to the bank

    from what i remember you werent a fan of signing emerson originally. and look how did that turn out. vieira is class, and im not criticising this transfer until i see him worse than appiah in 03/04
     
    Mar 6, 2005
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    ++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
    center midfield, yes, probably. but with ageing nedved and yet-to-convince-me camoranesi we'll have to wait and see how we will look on the pitch.
    Nedved maybe, but Camoranesi has really earned his spot as one of our more valued players last season.. He really played with heart, and showed he loved juventus..

    Did you see the Milan (may 8) game? He ran, dribbled, and even made a few crucial tackles..

    Forza Mauro Camoranesi.. :thumb:
     
    Sep 28, 2002
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    ++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++


    Nedved maybe, but Camoranesi has really earned his spot as one of our more valued players last season.. He really played with heart, and showed he loved juventus..

    Did you see the Milan (may 8) game? He ran, dribbled, and even made a few crucial tackles..

    Forza Mauro Camoranesi.. :thumb:
    i never said he wasnt good last season, imo the second best only to cannavaro. but that doesnt mean he'll continue with that form next season. and camoranesi isnt the name that scares the shit out of opposing defenders, the way nedved/emerson/vieira do.
     
    Mar 6, 2005
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    ++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++


    i never said he wasnt good last season, imo the second best only to cannavaro. but that doesnt mean he'll continue with that form next season. and camoranesi isnt the name that scares the shit out of opposing defenders, the way nedved/emerson/vieira do.
    That might be an advantage, though.. Having the element of surprise..
     

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