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[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Andy..while I respect Vieira despite dumping him in his early days because he apparently did not 'fit in' I don't think he is the PIECE OF THE PUZZLE that will bring Juve to the CL Final. Losing Emerson would be a big blow..I don't think it will happen.

What is the piece of the puzzle then? The fact of the matter is we could not play another season with Blasi or Appiah giving the ball away in the middle of the park...that was our weakest spot on the pitch during last season. Finding a partner for Emerson was everybody's numero uno on the wish list, and although we had hopes for Gerrard we still came away with a very good player. The only other part of the puzzle we are missing is perhaps a new RB because Zebina is not good enough for Juve.

Oddly, Milan announced they are 'dumping' JDT to Benfica...I actually like him and is less injury prone than the media-boys Vieri and Inzaghi

So your "Mr. Clutch" has left the building. Not sure why they would get rid of him when Inzaghi is sitting there..

 

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[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
The only other part of the puzzle we are missing is perhaps a new RB because Zebina is not good enough for Juve.

Nor can he be expected to put in an injury-free season. Which is why my interest is piqued by the resurgence of Miguel rumors... though I'd start Miguel over Zebina in a hearbeat.

 

[flieeeekke]

anyone willing to call moggi to ask him to keep maresca. for that im accepting the departure of tacchinardi, who is my second fav juve player atm..

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


Nor can he be expected to put in an injury-free season. Which is why my interest is piqued by the resurgence of Miguel rumors... though I'd start Miguel over Zebina in a hearbeat.

Greg, I have not seen enough of Miguel to comment on his defensive ability. How well does he mark and tackle? There is no question over his attacking ability as seen at the Euro's last year.

 

[swag]

Miguel is a team defender. He's not one of the best ones out there in terms of solo performances on one-on-one marking. (As if that isn't the case with Zebina... but at least, unlike Zebina, he doesn't hack at players with poor fouls when he thinks he might get beat.) I do like his tackling though, which is better than average but not outstanding.

That and because he's valuable driving up the wing on forward attacks, so he exposes his flank sometimes.

Since Juve have a pretty solid backline, I am not so worried. But I wouldn't exactly be extra confident if he's in that last man situation. (But more confident than if it were Zebina.)

 

[The Pado]

Thursday, July 14, 2005

Vieira 'set to seal Juventus switch'


Arsenal agree £14million fee with Juventus for transfer of Patrick Vieira.
More follows...

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Sergio, do you remember Capello's Milan of the early to mid 90's where he won the Champions League and reached the Final three times? Well, if you don't, Capello always used two defensive midfielders in his team, either in a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 formation. Capello would always choose to field a player like Desailly before a Savicevic in the team, and the latter always found himself out of position due to Capello's restricted tactics. The truth of the matter is Capello has no need for attacking midfielders or playmakers in his team; if you think he is even considering playing a diamond in midfield you're completely wrong. Capello will try to remake the Milan side of '93 that won the CL with his tight tactics, very much like that of last season. All we were missing last season was a great partner for Emerson who could do it all in midfield, and we found one of the best with Vieira this summer. IMO it is a very good move considering we are destined to play flat across midfield.

Andy, like all coaches, Capello makes do with what he has. Milan’s 4-4-2 in the early 90’s was Sacchi's product. Capello inherited a team that had played with that formation for 4 years and whose starting 11 had hardly even changed. Considering its achievements, there was no reason for him to modify anything. He played with the Ancelotti/Albertini-Rijkaard central pair in his first two years, and was hardly accused of being obsessed with tactics (after all, who needed tactics with a team capable of destroying anyone unlucky enough to cross their way ?)

Things changed in his 3rd season though, with the departure/forced retirement of the Dutch trio and the aging of some other key players. Dessailly had initially been brought in to strenghten the defence, but Capello had the excellent idea of using him as a defensive mid once, only to leave him in that position for the rest of the season and make him THE decisive factor of our success that year. As for Savicevic, he’s always been more of a support striker rather than a playmaker, and he definitely couldn’t have been one in a "diamond" formation in midfield. Not only would we have conceded too much to our opponents in terms of "weight" (Dejan and the Simone-Massaro attacking duo weren’t exactly heavy), but Savicevic lacked the characteristics to establish a proper link between midfield and attack (think Zidane or Totti, whom the same Capello did use in that role at Roma) leaving Boban and Donadoni in an unusal position for them in the process.

So to sum up, you seem to think that Capello always played in a prudent way (despite what his first 2 Milanese season suggest) or was too conservative with his tactics. I say that Capello only made the most suitable choices in accordance with what was on offer.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
So to sum up, you seem to think that Capello always played in a prudent way (despite what his first 2 Milanese season suggest) or was too conservative with his tactics. I say that Capello only made the most suitable choices in accordance with what was on offer.

Reading this matter up in a book is not always the most reliable way to form opinions, and considering I have only been following European football since 98, I was not entirely sure of how Capello set his team out on the pitch. I do, though, concur with you in your statement that Capello makes-do with what he has available before him; that's pretty obvious.

What I tend to think, when looking back at that success in the 90's and looking at our current squad, it's rather obvious Capello is using the same base tactics as he did with Milan. Throughout his career he seems to be very insistent on playing with two defensive midfielders, all the way up to his Roma days and last year with Juventus. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but in 95 I believe Capello played the gifted playmaker Boban out on the right of midfield, and for a player who craves basically a free role behind the strikers he must have been played out of position. The weapons Capello had at his disposal...Savicevic, Boban, Donadoni, Baggio, etc...would make you think he would play a little bit more attractive instead of holding true to a straight 4-4-2 formation. I can't help but think Capello favors midfield collectiveness and strength in front of the defense instead of using the more gifted players to roam in attack. Capello did indeed make use with what was available to him, however he had a lot more weapons with Milan than now with Juventus.

Then when I see a signing like Vieira instead of perhaps Pizarro or another gifted playmaker who could settle into a 4-4-2 system, I think it's obvious what Capello is trying to do...strength in midfield with players who can basically do it all. Now looking at our current roster, I think that's all we are capable of at the moment, and without the purchase of another attacking midfielder, we will have the same mentality as last season.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Someone took the liberty of posting my pic...

on the other hand we don't know whether a) you exist or are a creation of Emma's or JaeCole's b) whether that picture of the young girl was actually you c) whether this double account is another attempt by someone to break their boredom.

Not that we care...but I digress.


Zlatty: the Height issue was began by Pado because of the picture I posted of the Milan fan on the pitch after the Scudetto win...no one believed it was me..nor did you. If you would like to discuss this further...PM me..otherwise stop boring us with a joke older than your acid wash jeans.

Only thing older than my joke is your. "Oh are you here Zlatty? Or are you gone? Or are you back?"


Please, invent something new already. And fact is that you havent posted your pic. Most of the regulars have. Andy, Burke, Fliakis, Myself, Serge, Ian, Gray, Martin... are you hiding something?

 

[nedved34]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Only thing older than my joke is your. "Oh are you here Zlatty? Or are you gone? Or are you back?"


Please, invent something new already. And fact is that you havent posted your pic. Most of the regulars have. Andy, Burke, Fliakis, Myself, Serge, Ian, Gray, Martin... are you hiding something?

Like what?

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++


Like what?

Like that is a6'2" Swedish girl.

 

[The Pado]

Now that we have Viera, will Juve be wearing the grease smear on the front of the new shirt?

 

[nedved34]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++


Like that is a6'2" Swedish girl.

that would be nice

 

[/usr/bin]

++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++


that would be nice

Oh, snoop, btw.. No luck at the souq 2day.. couldn't find the video clip..

 

[nedved34]

Shit :down:

 

[KB824]

14 Million?????

You've got to be kidding me.

Juve paid less than that for a superior player in Emerson last year.

Ugh, this just gets worse.


And yes, I hate this transfer. And Andy, sometimes its better to not spend money at all instead of throwing 14 million at Arsenal for Vieira. I bet the braintrust at Highbury are laughing all the way to the bank

 

[nedved34]

++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++
14 Million?????

You've got to be kidding me.

Juve paid less than that for a superior player in Emerson last year.

Ugh, this just gets worse.


And yes, I hate this transfer. And Andy, sometimes its better to not spend money at all instead of throwing 14 million at Arsenal for Vieira. I bet the braintrust at Highbury are laughing all the way to the bank

Well,think about the others we got for free,plus the free money that we brought from Fiorentina for Miccoli and Maresca.the I say it's cheap, you win somwhere then U spent somewhere else

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++


Well,think about the others we got for free,plus the free money that we brought from Fiorentina for Miccoli and Maresca.the I say it's cheap, you win somwhere then U spent somewhere else

Not for him, though.

I'm sorry.


What, Juve couldn't take that 14 million to Roma, package a player or two, and acquired Cassano and Mancini instead, who are both much younger, and have PROVEN to be successful in Serie A???

 

[nedved34]

++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++


Not for him, though.

I'm sorry.


What, Juve couldn't take that 14 million to Roma, package a player or two, and acquired Cassano and Mancini instead, who are both much younger, and have PROVEN to be successful in Serie A???

I am against the Idea for buying Old players also,but this one is speciall,If Emerson stays,we will rock Serie A and Europe.

about Roma,I don't think they will sell any player,since they can't replace (UEFA ban)

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++


I am against the Idea for buying Old players also,but this one is speciall,If Emerson stays,we will rock Serie A and Europe.

about Roma,I don't think they will sell any player,since they can't replace (UEFA ban)

They are trying to appeal that, and I heard that they might be succesful