Nick Against the World (47 Viewers)
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careful
no offence dan, but what a load of tripe! In stone age times, women weren't expected to catch dinner, and being caught by a lion wasn't (believe it or not) something they worried about on a daily basis. In those times, the males were the hunters/gatherers, while the women served mostly to bear children (not to be sexist or anything, but that's how it is). That being the case, a woman with large hips would be much more valued for their child-bearing ability than a frail woman who looked like she'd die during labour.
Also, fat people have only been looked down upon relatively recently, since so many modern societies have all the basic needs of food and water in abundance. While being fat in today's society means a lack of self-control, having a large girth decades/centuries ago was considered a sign of being rich, and there are still many societies today that respect larger people
tell me honestly though, how many people who judge people according to their weight, actually care about the well-being of that person. It's not really common to see people say "my gosh, look at that fat bastard. I really hope he doesn't have a heart condition". It's just a copout to try and justify these kind of comments by saying that they're endangering themselves, even though that may well be the case.
careful
no offence dan, but what a load of tripe! In stone age times, women weren't expected to catch dinner, and being caught by a lion wasn't (believe it or not) something they worried about on a daily basis. In those times, the males were the hunters/gatherers, while the women served mostly to bear children (not to be sexist or anything, but that's how it is). That being the case, a woman with large hips would be much more valued for their child-bearing ability than a frail woman who looked like she'd die during labour.
Also, fat people have only been looked down upon relatively recently, since so many modern societies have all the basic needs of food and water in abundance. While being fat in today's society means a lack of self-control, having a large girth decades/centuries ago was considered a sign of being rich, and there are still many societies today that respect larger people
tell me honestly though, how many people who judge people according to their weight, actually care about the well-being of that person. It's not really common to see people say "my gosh, look at that fat bastard. I really hope he doesn't have a heart condition". It's just a copout to try and justify these kind of comments by saying that they're endangering themselves, even though that may well be the case.
Im talking about your prodigy. If you have a child with an overweight woman, chances are that your children have it in their genes to be overweight, which is a disadvantage back in that society, as i stated before the reasons why. There is a distinct difference from having rolls of fat however, then just being big hipped.
I know that in the victorian times, being fat was a sign of richness, which would be a glorious thing then, as money practically brought you away from peasent life. The societes you mention, the fat women would be of some significant importantance, ie royalty.
When i look at a obese person, i think how he/she has has put his health at great risk, just like cigarette smokers, and feel sorry for them. me as a person, will sometimes think wow what a load, but be sad inside because i know that that person must have a very unhealthy life which is very sad.
And just look at everyone being so wonderful and caring about how people react to fat people. Stop kidding yourself, you dont really care so why waste your time online discussing it.
Besides chances are if you see some slim junkie you will look at them like they are shit. And at the same time feel sorry for the lazy fat guy buying a max size mcdonalds. Whats the difference?
Besides chances are if you see some slim junkie you will look at them like they are shit. And at the same time feel sorry for the lazy fat guy buying a max size mcdonalds. Whats the difference?
good arguments Gray. obviously, peoples ideas of what cinstutues being attractive have changed. when there wasn't tons of food, being fatter was a sign of good health (but even then, only to a certain point-people probably would have an extremely difficult time getting truly obese, which many people are now adays.) but now there plenty of food for most people, so therefore the main reason why fatter people were considered more attractive has disapeared. I'm not arguing that that's why peoples views have changed though, because I think alot of that can be attributed to the culture we have now. I'll bet that if it weren't for the cultural fixation on ultra-thin supermodels, etc, most people wouldn't really find anything unattracive about people that are a little bit chubby. The problem, is that most fat people aren't just fat-they are truly obese! that's what bothers me-when you see some obese woman or man walking around, it's hard not to feel slightly turned off, and to tell the truth I do feel quite a bit of pity for them. It's hard not to, because I actually do feel bad for fat people because of how bad it is for them. Of course, they are frankly quite unattractive as well, which influences me I know, but you still feel bad for them, and you must also do your best to treat them as if they weren't fat at all! but of course, it's hard to respect some obese people, who really do nothing to help themselves, and also the whole "fat is OK-celebrate it!" type of thing is really just coping out for most people. And people now adays are often just trying to find excuses-no one wants to take blame for their problems. they have psychological diseases, they have a genetic tendency, whatever! the fact is that people in don't have any sense of personal responsability anymore, which is wrong
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Some people get things like CANCER or hair loss through genetics in which case they CAN'T do anything about it even if they try.
i.e. Run the tread mill and eat right and genetics will go the way of the A-TRAK tape...call it genetics if you want but don't come here looking for sympathy because all it takes is discipline and self control..ok maybe more than others but thats not the point.
When someone is faced with 6 months to live because of genetics the "I can't stop eating" whine sounds pretty pathetic.
CRY ME A FRIGGIN RIVER.
i.e. Run the tread mill and eat right and genetics will go the way of the A-TRAK tape...call it genetics if you want but don't come here looking for sympathy because all it takes is discipline and self control..ok maybe more than others but thats not the point.
When someone is faced with 6 months to live because of genetics the "I can't stop eating" whine sounds pretty pathetic.
CRY ME A FRIGGIN RIVER.
Incubo is right-genetics may predispose you towards being overweight, but you have the ultimate control over whether you become obese or not. people just want an excuse.
and I have to say that personally, I know that it is cheap and fast, but I really can't stand fast food! it is so revolting that I don't eat it at all-it's better to spend your money on some fruit, eat something healthy, and woah!!! you may actually not completely fill your stomach!! well you aren't a bloody athlete, so there is no reason really to be completely full except indulgence. I realized that at camp this summer-you don't have to be completely full! it's ok to be hungry sometimes! afterall, it's pretty gross to eat when you aren't hungry
and I have to say that personally, I know that it is cheap and fast, but I really can't stand fast food! it is so revolting that I don't eat it at all-it's better to spend your money on some fruit, eat something healthy, and woah!!! you may actually not completely fill your stomach!! well you aren't a bloody athlete, so there is no reason really to be completely full except indulgence. I realized that at camp this summer-you don't have to be completely full! it's ok to be hungry sometimes! afterall, it's pretty gross to eat when you aren't hungry
I think thats rediculous Nick. The metabolisms of humans of course differ; some people have fast metabolisms that break down the fat components before it turns into fat, while others have slow metabolisms that cannot break down these components. There is no range or limit to the type of metabolism you have, meaning that there is no official cut off of how the metabolism works. I know some kid who can eat a cheesecake a day and not gain one pound, while I've seen people who eat a well-balanced/ healthy diet and still gain pounds.
not directly, but you don't think that they could have laws written to control what schools feed their children? maybe eliminate vending machines? if a group of parents brought the issue to the school board, you think that they couldn't get something done? all they would have to do is threaten a lawsuit
the way people sue in this country, I'm surprised it hasn't already happened. Trust me, if parents decided they didn't like vending machines in the schools, etc, they could have it changed. It's sad that they haven't done it already! and about metabolism-obviously, it does have abig effect, but the fact is, for 90 percent of the people out there, they could still, by eating the right foods, drinking lots of water, etc, avoid becoming overweight. I have a pretty slow metabolism, but I have never been fat. not skinny, but certainly nobody could call me fat. And you know why that is? it's simply because I eat well and drink water 90 percent of the time. if you eat the foods that are right for you from the beginning, then it wont be a problem. Obviously, if somebody is already obese, it is extrememly hard to loose weight just by eating properly. That merely keeps things from getting worse.
I prefer not to comment on your so-called "stoneage-theory".
I think you are being a little extreme.. I sniffed glue in 7th grade, and I turned out pretty well, didn't die or anything.. so chill a little Dr.
I'm not saying that it's healthy for a person to be obese.
I'm just trying to say that if anybody wants help, they'll do whatever they can to get it. You can't force people into eating less, just because you're scared they'll die of heart-attack.
I think you are being a little extreme.. I sniffed glue in 7th grade, and I turned out pretty well, didn't die or anything.. so chill a little Dr.
I'm not saying that it's healthy for a person to be obese.
I'm just trying to say that if anybody wants help, they'll do whatever they can to get it. You can't force people into eating less, just because you're scared they'll die of heart-attack.
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Ger?
sorry just my irish brother in law. He introduced me to the book called 'fast food nation', which teaches me all of this. Macdonalds is such a culprit.
Ger?
sorry just my irish brother in law. He introduced me to the book called 'fast food nation', which teaches me all of this. Macdonalds is such a culprit.