Nick Against the World (48 Viewers)

[Seven]

I don't know what you're trying to prove, Claire.

He said Italian press claim to be the best, and I'm trying to prove to him that they have all the right to claim they're the best when they have the best NT and the best Clubs in europe.

I never claimed anything about the coach nor the English NT.

There's no way either one of us is going to prove anything using statistics, so it's stupid to even try, Rab. Milan might be better in a one off game against Man U, but overall I think the EPL is of a higher level. Even if you would disagree, you'd have to admit both the English and Italian are equally entitled to claim to have the best competition. The EPL is quality, there are lots of good players in the English national team and David Beckham is one heck of a player. These are things some people in this forum will have to accept.

Back to my original point though, the Italian press are quite notorious for being horribly biased when it comes to issues involving Italian products, Italian football or Italy towards the outside world. Why talk bad about England if Italy's just the same?

And to people who refuse to see that McClaren is quite obviously the only person to really fuck up, please tell me that this team roster isn't good enough to at least qualify:

1 Scott Carson
2 Micah Richards
6 Sol Campbell
5 Jolean Lescott
3 Wayne Bridge
10 Shaun Wright-Phillips
4 Steven Gerrard
7 Gareth Barry
8 Frank Lampard
11 Joe Cole
9 Peter Crouch

Substitutes
13 David James
12 Ashley Cole
14 Wes Brown
15 Owen Hargreaves
16 Jermain Defoe
17 David Beckham
18 Darren Bent

Seriously, he screwed up. There were loads of potential, he got the line up wrong.

 

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[Azzurri7]

There's no way either one of us is going to prove anything using statistics, so it's stupid to even try, Rab. Milan might be better in a one off game against Man U, but overall I think the EPL is of a higher level. Even if you would disagree, you'd have to admit both the English and Italian are equally entitled to claim to have the best competition. The EPL is quality, there are lots of good players in the English national team and David Beckham is one heck of a player. These are things some people in this forum will have to accept.

Back to my original point though, the Italian press are quite notorious for being horribly biased when it comes to issues involving Italian products, Italian football or Italy towards the outside world. Why talk bad about England if Italy's just the same?

No doubt EPL is quality, I mean having Jose Mourinho, Benitez(though I don't like him) added alot to the EPL. For a period of time I also thought EPL is above all, maybe because they were passing through some good period, from Mourinho leading Chelsea to Sir Alex bouncing back with Man Utd and Benitez doing well in Europe. While on the other hand Italy were suffering due to Calciopoli.

Beckham is indeed a great player, and probably the best English player. No doubt about that. Whoever disagree here is simply because he can't stand the fame/money everything this man brought to himself. Other than that no one can question his football quality.

As to your last point, It happens almost everywhere in the world, small example... we all saw the German media/press how they criticized the Italian NT and vice versa during the WC from making fun of their Pizza to Spaghetti to their fashion brands and Alfa Romio. Thing is Italy is passing through some good moment, and while It lasts, you should expect the Italian press to react this way.

 

[Seven]

No doubt EPL is quality, I mean having Jose Mourinho, Benitez(though I don't like him) added alot to the EPL. For a period of time I also thought EPL is above all, maybe because they were passing through some good period, from Mourinho leading Chelsea to Sir Alex bouncing back with Man Utd and Benitez doing well in Europe. While on the other hand Italy were suffering due to Calciopoli.

Beckham is indeed a great player, and probably the best English player. No doubt about that. Whoever disagree here, simply because he can't stand the fame/money everything this man brought to himself. Other than that no one can question his football quality.

As to your last point, It happens almost everywhere in the world, small example... we all saw the German media/press how they criticized the Italian NT and vice versa during the WC from making fun of their Pizza to Spaghetti to their fashion brands and Alfa Romio. Thing is Italy is passing through some good moment, and while It lasts, you should expect the Italian press to react this way.

So basically you're saying it's classy to kick England when they're down?

Don't get me wrong, I was cheering for Russia so I'm glad England didn't qualify, but your point strikes me as a bit odd.

 

[Azzurri7]

So basically you're saying it's classy to kick England when they're down?

Don't get me wrong, I was cheering for Russia so I'm glad England didn't qualify, but your point strikes me as a bit odd.

It's not classy, but It's part of the game.

 

[Bjerknes]

Beckham is not the best English player, as Gerrard easily takes that title, whether or not he performs with the national team.

McClaren chose those players because obviously some of the players he used during the Russia match were not working and afterall a few players had injuries. Sure, McClaren isn't that great of a manager, but he shouldn't shoulder all the blame. It's the ugly English style of play which consists of long balls and forcing that led to their downfall. As it always does. Anybody tactically adept can see that, from Hiddink to Keegan. From Keegan to McClaren, England's style of play hasn't changed one bit. Same old story.

 

[Bjerknes]

Andries, you asked what all the hate for England is about. I personally don't hate England as a nation, and I do like their people, but I just don't like their football. There is a difference.

 

[Seven]

Beckham is not the best English player, as Gerrard easily takes that title, whether or not he performs with the national team.

McClaren chose those players because obviously some of the players he used during the Russia match were not working and afterall a few players had injuries. Sure, McClaren isn't that great of a manager, but he shouldn't shoulder all the blame. It's the ugly English style of play which consists of long balls and forcing that led to their downfall. As it always does. Anybody tactically adept can see that, from Hiddink to Keegan. From Keegan to McClaren, England's style of play hasn't changed one bit. Same old story.

Stop being so blind. McClaren fucked up and you know it. With such a team at your disposal you should qualify, that's it. If the players aren't working, you're to blame. McClaren creates the ugly English style. You've got Beckham, Gerrard, Defoe and Wright Phillips who are all quite lovely to watch so don't you come here and tell me McClaren isn't to blame.

And Beckham at his prime was easily better than good old Stevie.

 

[Seven]

Andries, you asked what all the hate for England is about. I personally don't hate England as a nation, and I do like their people, but I just don't like their football. There is a difference.

Well, you're free to hate their football.

 

[Azzurri7]

Beckham is not the best English player, as Gerrard easily takes that title, whether or not he performs with the national team.

With Liverpool Gerrard is one of the best players in his position in the world. But he hasn't performed that much with the English NT.

Anyway, Erickson and McClaren played Steven out of his role with the NT.

 

[Seven]

With Liverpool Gerrard is one of the best players in his position in Europe. But he hasn't performed that much with the English NT.

Anyway, Erickson and McClaren played Steven out of his role with the NT.

Gerrard and Lampard can't coexist. Lampard should be benched.

 

[Bjerknes]

Stop being so blind. McClaren fucked up and you know it. With such a team at your disposal you should qualify, that's it. If the players aren't working, you're to blame. McClaren creates the ugly English style. You've got Beckham, Gerrard, Defoe and Wright Phillips who are all quite lovely to watch so don't you come here and tell me McClaren isn't to blame.

And Beckham at his prime was easily better than good old Stevie.

McClaren doesn't create the ugly English style - what the hell are you talking about? No matter how England takes the pitch, they will play with that same sort of aggressive, fast-paced, direct sort of play without any other tricks up their sleeve. That's the English brand of football. McClaren didn't create that, it's inherent within every player who has come up through the English brand of football throughout the past two decades. Like I said in the previous post, England has employed the same style of play for as long as I can remember, even before Keegan was in charge. They might have switched the formation numbers around, but they still play with the same style which every half decent football fan can see.

A few English football pundits have come out to say in recent months that England has a problem holding the ball and adapting to certain situations, and I wholeheartedly agree with them. If people cannot see that, then I don't know what they're doing watching football.

And what did SWP and Gerrard do in these past few qualifiers? Absolute fuckall. I don't care if they're pleasant or not to watch... who cares. They didn't perform. McClaren made mistakes. The whole tomato is rotten, not just one side of it.

For England, the blame always seems to go entirely to the managers while I believe it's unfair and representing the whole truth.

 

[Bjerknes]

Exactly. Don't take the job and take a couple a couple of fucking million that we are no doubt paying for if you can't take a backlash when you fail.

Of course they will be patriotic. That is what we want, this is entertainment. We don't want some fucking weather man on there giving us the low down and reminding us not to enjoy ourselves too much because at the end of the day Italy are better! Imagine Andy as EPL pundit!? Haha. It's so retarded!

Keep going with the arrogance. Some fucking weather man? This weather man knows that you lot are deservedly NOT in the European Championships, where you fucking should be. That's all that matters, Claire. int:

 

[Bozi]

Well.....touche, but Lalas is a fucking cocksucker.

of the highest order as wellint:

 

[Bjerknes]

Oh, Lalas is a goddamn piece of shit. It's a shame we have an American adding to the football pollution, but he does the same sort of thing English marketers do as well. The thing is, however, the praise for the Premiership is more believable.

 

[Bozi]

Oh, Lalas is a goddamn piece of shit. It's a shame we have an American adding to the football pollution, but he does the same sort of thing English marketers do as well. The thing is, however, the praise for the Premiership is more believable.

look on the bright side, you are way across the atlantic while we have this contant tripe on our doorstep. the enlgish team do not botehr me so much, the english fans dont bother me so much (at least since they weeded out the majority of the knuckle scrapers) its the goddamned media and their overinflated valuation of the english game

 

[Seven]

Some 20 year old girl in my class says she's marrying a French marine this summer and is about to travel with him to every fucking corner in the world.

She must be out of her mind.

 

[Bjerknes]

look on the bright side, you are way across the atlantic while we have this contant tripe on our doorstep. the enlgish team do not botehr me so much, the english fans dont bother me so much (at least since they weeded out the majority of the knuckle scrapers) its the goddamned media and their overinflated valuation of the english game

But it's the same story here in the States. The major football networks here are controlled by English bias along with English pundits. There really is no escape. English football is the best, English teams are the greatest, and England should be included in every major tournament no matter what. Yes, even the Gold Cup.

 

[Bozi]

Some 20 year old girl in my class says she's marrying a French marine this summer and is about to travel with him to every fucking corner in the world.

She must be out of her mind.

a french marine?he will constantly be on tactical manouvres,deep cover infiltration and excessive white-flag-waving excerises

 

[Bjerknes]

Some 20 year old girl in my class says she's marrying a French marine this summer and is about to travel with him to every fucking corner in the world.

She must be out of her mind.

You should rape her and after you're done yell, in her face, BLOOM...



























ANTWERP!!

 

[Azzurri7]

Some 20 year old girl in my class says she's marrying a French marine this summer and is about to travel with him to every fucking corner in the world.

She must be out of her mind.

Thats very immature of him and her marrying someone at the age of 20 IMO.