But Mourinho really built up Porto out of nothing while Benitez still had some of the remains left over from the Cuper era at Valencia.
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You remember when a pool player and a milan player collided and made the ball fly up in the air? And there was a milan player and a pool player waiting for it to come down, and Tommy Smyth says "I don't understand why the referee can't give liverpool the advantage" 
cuper lived off the glory of a squad built by ranieri both at mallorca and valencia. when he was asked to do it with inter he failed(though many before did also) he couldnt build a team to save himself. to a degree jose had that at chelsea at well. say what you want about the tinkerman but he is a great builder of squads
Since the two came to England I would agree, Benitez has been the better manager. But overall through both of their careers I would still have to stick with Jose because of Porto. And afterall, lets not forget about the difference between Chelsea and Pool within the EPL, even while throwing out the monetary situation of both clubs. Lets see how close Benitez comes to winning the EPL with all this cash flux through their doors.
benitez could find a problem when teh cash starts to flow, we all know he is a fan of squad rotation but at teh moment the squad is more than the sum of its parts. lets see how he keeps the fighting spirit when he has many overpaid,overhyped "superstars" to choose from
that is where mourinho has excelled in all honesty, forging a great team spirit and harmony in the squad
that is where mourinho has excelled in all honesty, forging a great team spirit and harmony in the squad
That's great.
Well, if you take a sample over the last 3 seasons, considering what Mourinho has had to work with in Chelsea compared to what Benitez has, you really have to wonder just who is the better manager here. Chelsea are quickly turning into the EPL's version of the Galacticos. Its not a level playing field between the two squads.
Now, that MIGHT change once the Hicks/Gillett ownership group get to finally infuse some serious cash into Liverpool's budget. Its going to be a very interesting summer for them. Their biggest acquisition won't be whomever they can sign onto the squad, but who they can prevent from leaving, and that would be Benitez himself.
Just close your eyes and envision Benitez parousing the sidelines at the Delle Alpi for a moment. Can you picture it?? If I owned the squad, I'd even let Benitez sleep with Del Piero's girlfriend whenever he felt like it. That's how badly I'd want him to come here. Been saying that for a couple of years now though. never going to happen.
I would say that Mourinho has done a good job, but not a great job. Chelsea's goal has always been to win the CL, and given the unlimited budget he has, I really can't give him the highest of marks yet. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that he's a bad manager. On the contrary, I think he's quite good. Given my choice, though, I'd rather have Benitez.
oh no i am in total agreement with you on this one and have said many times that i thought benitez was a fantastic manager. the strange this is i was speaking to a few guys who were supposed football fans. i just happened to be talking about jose and dropped the line
" jose is superb but there is another manager who has matched his achievements, won the UEFA and followed it with teh Cl teh next season and does not have teh same recognition" do you think any of these ass-clowns had the slightest idea who i was talking about
" jose is superb but there is another manager who has matched his achievements, won the UEFA and followed it with teh Cl teh next season and does not have teh same recognition" do you think any of these ass-clowns had the slightest idea who i was talking about
Benitez has indeed had less to work with. But in all honesty, if the balls were not falling for them and Pool did not have so much luck, they probably wouldn't have been in the Champions League Final this season and certainly not have won it back in 2005. Pool went through past Mourinho and company to reach the final due to a goal that, in my opinion and many others, did not have enough evidence to stand. I also thought Chelsea had played better during those two utterly boring, dreadful matches back in 2005, but the luck went to Pool. Now this season Benitez and company were rather lucky in some areas as well, but honestly you can never count out Liverpool and the Kop in big matches such as that, so they also have that going for them.
But my point is... if Benitez didn't win that Champions League final in 2005 there would be no contest between the two managers, especially when looking at their levels of performance in the Premier League. And as we all know, it's more fair to judge a team within a league than just using head to head matchups.
By the way, Liverpool had arguably the best central midfield in the world this year along with Milan.
Benitez would never come here, but Mourinho possibly could in the future. I think that guy has a little more ambition.
But my point is... if Benitez didn't win that Champions League final in 2005 there would be no contest between the two managers, especially when looking at their levels of performance in the Premier League. And as we all know, it's more fair to judge a team within a league than just using head to head matchups.
By the way, Liverpool had arguably the best central midfield in the world this year along with Milan.
Benitez would never come here, but Mourinho possibly could in the future. I think that guy has a little more ambition.
Well, he's certainly going to have that recognition now. The funny thing is, when it comes to coaches/managers in any sport, the big recognition doesn't come once you've won something. Case in point, Benitez winning the CL in 2005. I'm sure there are many people to this day who say that is a fluke. Therefore, up until this point, when he was able to get Liverpool BACK into the finals 2 years later, will people finally start to say "Hey, this man can really coach his ass off." The recognition only comes once you've been able to somewhat repeat that success in a relatively short period of time. Let's be honest. Liverpool didn't have that much going for them in terms of talent, their all-world midfield aside. At least part of that comes from Benitez's planning and tactical strategy.
Well, luck always seems to play a part in this, don't you think?? Based on skill alone, Liverpool shouldn't even be on the same field as Chelsea, or Milan, or Barcelona for that matter.
Andy, I'm not using head-to-head matchups between 'Pool and Chelsea to base my opinion. I'm basing my opinion on the last 3 years of the CL, when Chelsea and Liverpool have had to face the best of the best from all of Europe, who has had more success?? I don't agree with the theory that "its more fair to judge a team within a league" when you are trying to form an opinion on who is a better manager.
I'm of the opinion that when you are playing in a league where every match could very well be your last, such as the CL, then the pressure is that much greater. There's more at stake.
Also, keep in mind that I'm of the notion that I would gladly trade 5 scudetti for one CL trophy.
Andy, I'm not using head-to-head matchups between 'Pool and Chelsea to base my opinion. I'm basing my opinion on the last 3 years of the CL, when Chelsea and Liverpool have had to face the best of the best from all of Europe, who has had more success?? I don't agree with the theory that "its more fair to judge a team within a league" when you are trying to form an opinion on who is a better manager.
I'm of the opinion that when you are playing in a league where every match could very well be your last, such as the CL, then the pressure is that much greater. There's more at stake.
Also, keep in mind that I'm of the notion that I would gladly trade 5 scudetti for one CL trophy.
That's not necessarily true though in my opinion. Like I stated above, Liverpool have arguably the best midfield in the world with Gerrard, Mascherano and Xabi Alonso. Their defense is not bad either, however their forwards are indeed a joke. But if I had to choose where my weakest players would be, it would have to be up top because with such a midfield the goals will come. And besides, Chelsea has had a lot of injury problems as it is this past year.
Well, over the past three years our two teams in discussion here played knockout rounds against each other. Obviously one of them will be eliminated and obviously Pool won both times. Is that more due to Benitez's genius? I don't know. We could debate on and on about that, but facts are facts and over the past three years the Spaniard has the better record... in Europe.
I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Personally, in my opinion, the acheivements of Mourinho at Porto is what sets the two managers apart. Benitez is a world class manager indeed who is lucky to have the history and Kop behind him.
Well, over the past three years our two teams in discussion here played knockout rounds against each other. Obviously one of them will be eliminated and obviously Pool won both times. Is that more due to Benitez's genius? I don't know. We could debate on and on about that, but facts are facts and over the past three years the Spaniard has the better record... in Europe.
I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Personally, in my opinion, the acheivements of Mourinho at Porto is what sets the two managers apart. Benitez is a world class manager indeed who is lucky to have the history and Kop behind him.
