Nick Against the World (94 Viewers)

[swag]

Myspace is so gay.

It's not bad for bands, but I'll share a true story with you.

When I was at the O'Reilly Web2.0 conference last year, they had a panel of teenagers talk about how they use the Internet to a bunch of salivating marketing weenies who still think MC Hammer is hip.

All the kids in high school talked about how they spent countless hours on MySpace to keep up with friends, etc. Meanwhile, the few college freshmen in the panel were holding their noses, saying, "MySpace?! That's sooooo high school." They would be embarrassed if their college friends knew they used it.

 

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[swag]

Hey at least we won a trophee in the dragon's cave: 1988 European Championship in West-Germany. I can't see Portugal winning anything on Spanish grounds.

....unless, of course, it's past the group stages against Spain. :rolleyes2

Add to that the facts that the Dutch national league has hardly any viewers beyond the 16 million home population whereas the Portuguese league (so I've heard) is quite popular in Brazil, as well as parts of Africa and Asia - which generates more income for their clubs through television deals and sponsorships that can be used to train youngsters - and Portugal has just been massively underperforming. Their World Cup record is shameful even when compared to the Dutch record. Losing two finals, several semi- and quarter-finals and bringing the world Total Football sounds like a CV from heaven compared to what the Portuguese ever did, despite their potential, which exceeds that of the Dutch.

But then everyone knows the Dutch. They know about Totaalvoetbal. And despite the coverage of the Eredivisie, it's certainly a well-known wellspring of talent and interesting play. Portugal isn't even on the map for that matter (part of that their own doing). Nor have they ever been. Nor has there been much of any pretention of there being anything on the map for a nation that doesn't even top 10 million citizens. Their all-time NT scorer is virtually a walk-on from the Azores, an archipelago so remote that they still speak a form of 14th-century Portuguese left by the original settlers there.

But after watching Spain completely collapse to a gasping France squad tonight (a squad of 30-year-olds that plays like they're going on 50), I don't think you need to look any further for Europe's Inter.

With one side note about Thierry Henry. What absolute, utter shite play. Offsides practically everytime he got near the ball. And the great irony is that Ribery got France's first goal largely because Henry's offsides incompetence fooled Puyol and the Spain defense long enough as an unintentional decoy -- springing him on the opposite side of the pitch.

 

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I immediately knew Adriano was offsides for half the pitch on that goal when I saw it. First the passive offsides, which was blatant. And then when the cross came in. The guy got ahead and never looked back.

He should have been called offside for the finish, but according to the new interpretation of the rules, the no-call on the first pass was correct

 

[swag]

He should have been called offside for the finish, but according to the new interpretation of the rules, the no-call on the first pass was correct

Agreed with the passive offsides. But a little rule explanation if anyone can offer: can a passive offsides player legally touch the ball as part of goal play by re-lining up "on-sides" again further up the pitch relative to the defense/teammates?

I am going to take a guess that says a passive offsides Adriano could have made himself eligible again if he let a defender catch up before a teammate's pass to him.

However, what I witnessed was Adriano not even making an attempt to make himself eligible by running as the pace car down half the pitch for the full play.

 

[Slagathor]

....unless, of course, it's past the group stages against Spain. :rolleyes2

Cheap shot

But then everyone knows the Dutch. They know about Totaalvoetbal. And despite the coverage of the Eredivisie, it's certainly a well-known wellspring of talent and interesting play. Portugal isn't even on the map for that matter (part of that their own doing). Nor have they ever been. Nor has there been much of any pretention of there being anything on the map for a nation that doesn't even top 10 million citizens. Their all-time NT scorer is virtually a walk-on from the Azores, an archipelago so remote that they still speak a form of 14th-century Portuguese left by the original settlers there.

Yes, but it doesn't matter who knows Dutch football. What matters is who is willing to pay for broadcasting rights (which incomes are channelled to the clubs of course). In case of the Portuguese Superliga, the income through broadcasting rights (and attracted foreign sponsors that would never think about investing in the Eredivisie) is much higher than that of the Dutch Eredivisie. If the Portuguese would even bother to channel those funds in the right directions, they would wipe the floor with us (more so than they currently do ) and easily catch up with the German Bundesliga.

For failing to fulfil precisely that potential, I refer to Portugal as Europe's Inter. Not because their national team keeps failing but because the failing of their national team is related to their failure in fund managing, in marketing of their national league and in training youngsters (and you're not telling me Dutch kids are generally more talented than their Portuguese counterparts).

The Dutch, on the other hand, are at their top. Sixteen million people make up pretty much the entire global audience, in reality as well as potential. Broadcasting rights create much fewer income than is the case in surrounding leagues in England, Germany, France and even Portugal. The big international sponsors that matter stand to gain too little from investing in the Eredivisie to give it a shot. Yes, the Dutch keep failing and falling short. But they have fulfilled their potential: this is as good as they can get.

But after watching Spain completely collapse to a gasping France squad tonight (a squad of 30-year-olds that plays like they're going on 50), I don't think you need to look any further for Europe's Inter.

Let's not get into a wholly different discussion on exactly why Spain was eliminated

 

[Bjerknes]

Spain sucks.

 

[Revan]

See for yourself. In what way is this not offside????

Oh my bad, Adriano is passive, isn't he


http://youtube.com/watch?v=uAyhvstibsw&search=brazil ghana

adriano was passive in the first offside. in the second he was also offside in the moment the cross from cafu was made. but, the offside call is made when the player recieves the ball. in this case before adriano recieved the ball, and scored, if you look more carefully you'll see the ghana player touched the ball with the tip of his foot and the ball hit adriano and into then net. because of that the goal stands. a player can be offside 20m if the pass to him is intercepted by a opposing player all bets are off. i don't know if the linesman saw it or it was a mistake but the goal stands, according to the rules, imo.

 

[JCK]

adriano was passive in the first offside. in the second he was also offside in the moment the cross from cafu was made. but, the offside call is made when the player recieves the ball. in this case before adriano recieved the ball, and scored, if you look more carefully you'll see the ghana player touched the ball with the tip of his foot and the ball hit adriano and into then net. because of that the goal stands. a player can be offside 20m if the pass to him is intercepted by a opposing player all bets are off. i don't know if the linesman saw it or it was a mistake but the goal stands, according to the rules, imo.

No Ghanian touched the ball, it went directly to Adriano's foot.

 

[Revan]

No Ghanian touched the ball, it went directly to Adriano's foot.

i think he did.

 

[Seven]

adriano was passive in the first offside. in the second he was also offside in the moment the cross from cafu was made. but, the offside call is made when the player recieves the ball. in this case before adriano recieved the ball, and scored, if you look more carefully you'll see the ghana player touched the ball with the tip of his foot and the ball hit adriano and into then net. because of that the goal stands. a player can be offside 20m if the pass to him is intercepted by a opposing player all bets are off. i don't know if the linesman saw it or it was a mistake but the goal stands, according to the rules, imo.

That's sick. That's really sick. I don't even grasp why you would give the truth such a twist. So you're saying:

a) Cafu tried to pass the ball to Adriano in an offside position
b) A Ghanaian defender, who had to make up for Adriano's blatant offside, was so unlucky to nearly get there and thus touching the ball and making the ball's course change by a full mm.
c) Because of that mm Adriano wasn't offside

This is ridiculous because:

a) That's not even in the rules
b) Offside is NOT counted when a player receives
c) If a player intercepts the ball it's STILL offside, only if a player gives a backpass it is not.

 

[Seven]

No Ghanian touched the ball, it went directly to Adriano's foot.

Even if he did it's offside.

 

[Revan]

Even if he did it's offside.

watch the clip from the 27th second and see the ghanian touched the ball. and no matter how he touches it if a opposing player intercepts a pass it negates the offside rule.

 

[Seven]

watch the clip from the 27th second and see the ghanian touched the ball. and no matter how he touches it if a opposing player intercepts a pass it negates the offside rule.

No it doesn't. Only if there's a major deflection. This is an offside goal and everyone saying the opposite knows shit about the rules. It really couldn't be any more clear than this.

 

[gray]

watch the clip from the 27th second and see the ghanian touched the ball. and no matter how he touches it if a opposing player intercepts a pass it negates the offside rule.

That doesn't negate the offside. If that were the case, playmakers would learn to artfully play through-balls off defenders' legs so their forwards would be onside. Deflections don't change the offside rule whatsoever; only backpasses do. Believe me, I support Korea

 

[Revan]

That doesn't negate the offside. If that were the case, playmakers would learn to artfully play through-balls off defenders' legs so their forwards would be onside. Deflections don't change the offside rule whatsoever; only backpasses do. Believe me, I support Korea

i'm gonna be a man and admit my mistake. umpkin:

 

[gray]

Good man. Respect

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

And, what is with the distaste of Spain?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

The call was correct. But it was kind of a shame the game ended on a PK. Italy cut it close and needs to stop fucking around. If they play like that in the Quarters it may take a Moggi phone call to get them into the next round.

Also I feel for Ghana, what a crappy way to play well and lose 3-0.

I feel that Italy and England are both just lazily winning games and not playing close to their full potential....which is why I would not be surprised to see an England Italy final...many teams have peaked early and there was unjustified praise thrown their way for beating small teams. Italian and English strikers have barely scored ... they have yet to win BIG ... maybe they never will this tournament but I feel they could come out BIG the next game...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I think England are a bunch of the gayboys.

And yes, i cheered when Owen got hurt.

 

[3pac]

It's not bad for bands, but I'll share a true story with you.

When I was at the O'Reilly Web2.0 conference last year, they had a panel of teenagers talk about how they use the Internet to a bunch of salivating marketing weenies who still think MC Hammer is hip.

All the kids in high school talked about how they spent countless hours on MySpace to keep up with friends, etc. Meanwhile, the few college freshmen in the panel were holding their noses, saying, "MySpace?! That's sooooo high school." They would be embarrassed if their college friends knew they used it.

myspace primary uses are sexual soliciting (as i showed dan, i was bya 30 year old man from ohio yesterday ) and organizing parties. Outside of that, it's just a bunch of emo kids.