How was that quote a proof of innocence or a show that there is no evidence against us? ... That was the opinion of one person on one small aspect of the case against us... It means nothing
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Actually Alex one opinion versus a mountain of evidence that grows every day and all of which has not yet been released is not much to go on AND if this is what you are going on in making yourself believe that this is all a witch hunt then I suggest you get together with Swag and Pado and form a group with the everfamous theme song:
Association of "The King of Wishful Thinkers" Global Juventini
i'm not saying Moggi acted in the right way, morally or legally. However, the ability of the court to find suitable, founded evidence and be able to support it, and that the evidence should be serious enough to lead to a relegation of two leagues down to Serie C, i think is beyond anyone's knowledge at the moment.
Man oh man. This place turned into a circus when I was in bed last night. :coffee:
(How do I know? There's still elephant excrement all over the floor.)
I just started A Season with Verona -- the damn thing was on back-order with Amazon for months.
The Miracle Castel di Sangro is good reading too, IMO. Serie C stuff -- could be the things of Juve's next season, no? :doh: If you can get around the fact that the author comes off as a know-it-all, holier-than-thou, arrogrant, bad-stereotype-American prick and a half, it's definitely recommended. And given the book's ending, it's pretty topical these days.
Didn't make it to Herculaneum myself, but want to. Pompeii was crowded (and dumping rain) when I last went, but I did like it for the access you had without any heavy-handed history lessons. We all know what happened there and don't need the sledgehammer to drive it home in our skulls. I need to go back to Napoli to crack that nut anyway; now that I've learned how to survive street scammers and gouging taxi drivers the first time around, I might enjoy it more without fearing for my safety.
...And without being subject to investigation by a magistrate.
Oh, and Nick, remember those TV commercials for Palmolive where Madge tells the stunned manicur-ee, "You're soaking in it" ... as the woman is unaware that her hand is submersed in a puddle of green goo?
Well, you're soaking in it.
(How do I know? There's still elephant excrement all over the floor.)
Erik said:
"A season with Verona" by Tim Parks absolutely rocks. I loved it. The Castel di Sangro one I haven't read after a friend of mine complained how she couldn't get through it and thought 20 euros spent on a desk stabiliser was a bit much
As for Greek temples; I've seen the ones in Paestum and they were nice, but I couldn't write a single paragraph on them
As for Greek temples; I've seen the ones in Paestum and they were nice, but I couldn't write a single paragraph on them
The Miracle Castel di Sangro is good reading too, IMO. Serie C stuff -- could be the things of Juve's next season, no? :doh: If you can get around the fact that the author comes off as a know-it-all, holier-than-thou, arrogrant, bad-stereotype-American prick and a half, it's definitely recommended. And given the book's ending, it's pretty topical these days.
Didn't make it to Herculaneum myself, but want to. Pompeii was crowded (and dumping rain) when I last went, but I did like it for the access you had without any heavy-handed history lessons. We all know what happened there and don't need the sledgehammer to drive it home in our skulls. I need to go back to Napoli to crack that nut anyway; now that I've learned how to survive street scammers and gouging taxi drivers the first time around, I might enjoy it more without fearing for my safety.
...And without being subject to investigation by a magistrate.
Oh, and Nick, remember those TV commercials for Palmolive where Madge tells the stunned manicur-ee, "You're soaking in it" ... as the woman is unaware that her hand is submersed in a puddle of green goo?
Well, you're soaking in it.
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Might I remind you that this is NOT a criminal proceeding and beyond a reasonable doubt is NOT the what is required to get a verdict...more over, suitable founded evidence?? There are hundreds of transcripts of Moggi selecting officials for games based on how well they treated Juve and how they made bad calls for other teams...commenting on favorable calls and SCOLDING the head of the officials for his men making bad calls....is this enough evidence ...and is it serious enough?? What is enough?? what is serious enough for you?
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swag said:
Man oh man. This place turned into a circus when I was in bed last night. :coffee:
(How do I know? There's still elephant excrement all over the floor.)
I just started A Season with Verona -- the damn thing was on back-order with Amazon for months.
The Miracle Castel di Sangro is good reading too, IMO. Serie C stuff -- could be the things of Juve's next season, no? :doh: If you can get around the fact that the author comes off as a know-it-all, holier-than-thou, arrogrant, bad-stereotype-American prick and a half, it's definitely recommended. And given the book's ending, it's pretty topical these days.
Didn't make it to Herculaneum myself, but want to. Pompeii was crowded (and dumping rain) when I last went, but I did like it for the access you had without any heavy-handed history lessons. We all know what happened there and don't need the sledgehammer to drive it home in our skulls. I need to go back to Napoli to crack that nut anyway; now that I've learned how to survive street scammers and gouging taxi drivers the first time around, I might enjoy it more without fearing for my safety.
...And without being subject to investigation by a magistrate.
Oh, and Nick, remember those TV commercials for Palmolive where Madge tells the stunned manicur-ee, "You're soaking in it" ... as the woman is unaware that her hand is submersed in a puddle of green goo?
Well, you're soaking in it.
(How do I know? There's still elephant excrement all over the floor.)
I just started A Season with Verona -- the damn thing was on back-order with Amazon for months.
The Miracle Castel di Sangro is good reading too, IMO. Serie C stuff -- could be the things of Juve's next season, no? :doh: If you can get around the fact that the author comes off as a know-it-all, holier-than-thou, arrogrant, bad-stereotype-American prick and a half, it's definitely recommended. And given the book's ending, it's pretty topical these days.
Didn't make it to Herculaneum myself, but want to. Pompeii was crowded (and dumping rain) when I last went, but I did like it for the access you had without any heavy-handed history lessons. We all know what happened there and don't need the sledgehammer to drive it home in our skulls. I need to go back to Napoli to crack that nut anyway; now that I've learned how to survive street scammers and gouging taxi drivers the first time around, I might enjoy it more without fearing for my safety.
...And without being subject to investigation by a magistrate.
Oh, and Nick, remember those TV commercials for Palmolive where Madge tells the stunned manicur-ee, "You're soaking in it" ... as the woman is unaware that her hand is submersed in a puddle of green goo?
Well, you're soaking in it.
trigger happy? please.. i warned burke for offensive post, i closed some rubbish threads and banned several abusive or spamming posters? people, really get of our case, burke isnt allowed to run amok therefore we're trigger happy? i agree, moderating is pretty inconsistent, but if you dont like feel free to leave, or boycott.
thank you.
thank you.
IlDivinCodino said:
see what i meant? that post got it all!!! the "FUCK" word, CAPITAL FUCKING LETTERS and yet no warning or all those fucking bullshit
this forum is getting fucked up by the day
while all Burke did was just some normal crap and he was like that throughout
just take a look at the amount of rep and quality his posts were and yellow card was what he deserved?
this is bullshit!!!
is the forum trying to fuck up all the quality posters around here?
this forum is getting fucked up by the day
while all Burke did was just some normal crap and he was like that throughout
just take a look at the amount of rep and quality his posts were and yellow card was what he deserved?
this is bullshit!!!
is the forum trying to fuck up all the quality posters around here?
This is definitely not a criminal proceeding in terms of a requirement for evidence. It's more like a civil suit than a criminal one in terms of its standards of guilt or innocence, and even that isn't accurate -- suspicion can be enough to make judgement here.
But Moggi selecting officials for games... where's the checks and balances here? When has it become Moggi's responsibility to assign referees? I'm sure he'd like to believe that it was his responsibility, but ultimately it's not.
Let's be clear on what of any crimes could be here and separate who is responsible for what. If Moggi was using clear threats, extortion, or even bribery to ply influence with referee choices ... that should be the nature of the crime and it should be prosecuted as such. But which officials ultimate get chosen for matches is the domain of responsibility for the referee association, and any crimes related to that piece need to be pursued from within the referee association.
Evidence of collusion is another example, implicating both sides. But in my puny view of all this, I haven't quite seen what the ref association is getting out of this to make it worth their while to collude. (Evidence of a mutual betting ring would be a good example.)
Expressing your referee preferences and blowing your stack if a one blows a call against your team does not constitute criminal activity on its own accord, IMO.
But Moggi selecting officials for games... where's the checks and balances here? When has it become Moggi's responsibility to assign referees? I'm sure he'd like to believe that it was his responsibility, but ultimately it's not.
Let's be clear on what of any crimes could be here and separate who is responsible for what. If Moggi was using clear threats, extortion, or even bribery to ply influence with referee choices ... that should be the nature of the crime and it should be prosecuted as such. But which officials ultimate get chosen for matches is the domain of responsibility for the referee association, and any crimes related to that piece need to be pursued from within the referee association.
Evidence of collusion is another example, implicating both sides. But in my puny view of all this, I haven't quite seen what the ref association is getting out of this to make it worth their while to collude. (Evidence of a mutual betting ring would be a good example.)
Expressing your referee preferences and blowing your stack if a one blows a call against your team does not constitute criminal activity on its own accord, IMO.
