Nick Against the World (39 Viewers)

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


That's true, but most people figure that you did take the decision to start with drugs, which you did, and thus chose for the consequences as well. And with most drugs you don't really have the choice to just stop, now do you? It phyiscally hurts to stop. I do agree that if you started with drugs knowing what the possible consequences were you chose for those consequences as well.

Question remains if you really do know what the consequences might be if you start taking drugs at a young age. IMO the main problem is this, and I'm taking myself as an example: with a normal product, say chocolat, I would never let myself become addicted. Though if I like chocolat I would eat it a lot. Still I could quit whenever I want, because I wouldn't let myself reach that point of addiction. But if you do drugs a lot because you obviously like them, you can't really control yourself and you can't stop yourself of reaching that point of addiction.

If I knew then what I know now, I would gladly have traded it in and had a boring teenage life than the personal hell that I put myself through. It stopped being fun during the last year of my addiction, when I started to realize the need for it just to continue with everyday life, not even to get high, but to make it through the day. And the recovery was very painful, both physically and emotionally. Constant vomiting, violent fits of rage one minute, crying like a baby in my friends arms the next, not eating for days, but those memories are ones that I would never block out of my mind. I want to remember them, so that I don't ever have to go through it again.

 

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[Bjerknes]

After reading stuff like this, I find that I have a rather privileged life, and that I'm lucky. I am so not thankful for what I have, and for what I haven't done. Its sad that other kids fall into such a bad situation, and can't get out of it.

 

[River]

++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++


I mentioned the reasons why in my previous post. What got me started was I was 13 years old, and had just moved to a new city with no friends, and I ended up getting caught up in the wrong crowd, and the drugs, in turn, played a part in the injuries that I suffered in sports, and that depressed me, so I, in turn, turned to more drugs, which led to other problems, which, again, just created a vicious cycle for me. It took me going to a party in one town here in Rhode Island on a Friday night, and waking up in a neighboring state (Connecticut) on a Sunday afternoon in the bed of a girl I didn't even know, and not remembering how I got there and what happened during those 2 1/2 days, that made me decide to quit.

About 2 years later, I decided to volunteer some time at a rehab center to talk to some kids and just basically listen to them. I didn't realize until that moment how lucky I had it. To look in their faces and have them tell me stories that mirrored mine on how they got started, and how they pissed all their money away and would have to steal things like jewelry and car radios to pay for their habit, or do things that were even worse in some cases, well, it gives me a little different perspective than some people, because I can see it through their eyes, and what addicition can do to you.

And I'm still paying for my sins to this day, and will do so for the rest of my life. Nerve damage that causes my hands to tremble very slightly, to the point where I can't even notice it, but other people do. An immune system that is virtually non-existent any longer, headaches that can last for 4 days, so on and so forth.

I'm a little more leninet than most people when it comes to drug addiction, because if you can control it and truly stop whenever you want, then you were never an addict to begin with.

Sure if you can control it your not addicted. Thats my whole point. Ive used various drugs full on for long periods of time. But when you really WANT to stop, you just do it. You put up with it, it might be a few weeks of complete pain but you still do it. You dont back down and give in. Sure i have sympathy for people who find it hard to stop, but i dont have sympathy for anyone who 'cant' kick drugs.

And yes I was never addicted. Because I had put up with all the crap that is required to get myself clean when i knew I was overdoing it. To say your an addict and cant stop is just weak. There is no other way I consider it.

Though you were extremely young. A 13 year old shouldnt be doing drugs and sleeping with women. If you older and more mature surely you wouldnt have had such a problem giving up.

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
It depends IMO. If it physically hurts to stop you really do have to show a lot of character.

Bull. Its your problem. Its your mess. If you cant handle what it takes to quit and would rather keep using then you just dont want to quit. If you want to you make some changes and you do it. You throw away the drugs you have, you locked yourself in, you do something else, you dont hang out with users and you dont keep drugs in your house and expect not to use them.

The human race is extremely weak at handling their own problems.

Furthermore I cant really repeat everyones 'Dont do drugs' statements and I couldnt say I wont take drugs again. Drugs can and have helped me.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by River ] ++
Drugs can and have helped me.

Well you're one in a million then. The only way weed has helped me is to hang out with the popular crowd. :cheesy:

@Serge: Mind I ask you, how did you end up in another state that evening?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Well you're one in a million then. The only way weed has helped me is to hang out with the popular crowd. :cheesy:

hey for some thats important :groan:

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++


hey for some thats important :groan:

True. Who doesn't wanna be popular?

 

[River]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Well you're one in a million then. The only way weed has helped me is to hang out with the popular crowd. :cheesy:

@Serge: Mind I ask you, how did you end up in another state that evening?

Almost everyone who smokes weed do it for the advantages of it. And you cant even compare weed to other drugs

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by River ] ++


Almost everyone who smokes weed do it for the advantages of it. And you cant even compare weed to other drugs

Yeah I know. They call weed the "gateway drug". Yeah, it sure is the gateway to popularity for some people.

How many times have you done coke River? Have you ever had Heroin? Please say no. :frown:

 

[River]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Yeah I know. They call weed the "gateway drug". Yeah, it sure is the gateway to popularity for some people.

How many times have you done coke River? Have you ever had Heroin? Please say no. :frown:

Ive no idea how many times. But like i said I was a full on user for quite a while, stopping when I needed to and starting again when I wanted to.

And no I never did heroin because im scared of needles.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by River ] ++


Ive no idea how many times. But like i said I was a full on user for quite a while, stopping when I needed to and starting again when I wanted to.

And no I never did heroin because im scared of needles.

Thats good, because heroin totally messed up the lives of some people I know. Wouldn't want you, or any of you, to start on that crap.

 

[Bjerknes]

Uh oh, better not let Vinman know about my weed and underage drinking.

 

[KB824]

River, may i ask what age you were when you were a full on user?

 

[K10]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Uh oh, better not let Vinman know about my weed and underage drinking.

Nothing's wrong with weed. If anything, I think its better for you than cigarettes, has a better effect and tastes better.

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by River ] ++


Sure if you can control it your not addicted. Thats my whole point. Ive used various drugs full on for long periods of time. But when you really WANT to stop, you just do it. You put up with it, it might be a few weeks of complete pain but you still do it. You dont back down and give in. Sure i have sympathy for people who find it hard to stop, but i dont have sympathy for anyone who 'cant' kick drugs. And yes I was never addicted. Because I had put up with all the crap that is required to get myself clean when i knew I was overdoing it. To say your an addict and cant stop is just weak. There is no other way I consider it.

Well, that's the difference between you and I. Even when I was at the point where the drugs weren't something for fun anymore, I couldn't stop right away, because I felt that they were a necessity. It took me a little more than a year to get the courage and beat my addiciton. And yes, I have sympathy for those who try and fail, because when it gets to that point in your life, then it is extremely difficult to stop.

Its those who know that have a problem, and do nothing to fix it, that I have no sympathy for.

Though you were extremely young. A 13 year old shouldnt be doing drugs and sleeping with women. If you older and more mature surely you wouldnt have had such a problem giving up.

Those were very different times back in 1982. different attitude towards drugs, sex, a lot of things. Yeah, if I was older back then, then maybe you're right, I would have chosen differently. But, maybe not. Age wasn't a deciding factor for me back then, acceptance was. And sure, its extremely foolish, in hindsight when you look at it now, but if you were a part of those times and that culture, you could look back very easily and say "Oh yeah, I can see how someone can get mixed up in that." I'm not here to blame society for what happened. The choices I made were all my own, and I live with the aftereffects of those times. Better than the alternative, which is in a box 6 ft. under, where a lot of my "friends" at the time are residing as we speak.


And for the record, I didn't start sleeping with women when I was 13.

i was 15

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by K10 ] ++


Nothing's wrong with weed. If anything, I think its better for you than cigarettes, has a better effect and tastes better.

That might be true. Except its illegal here.

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Uh oh, better not let Vinman know about my weed and underage drinking.

Please !!!! I have bigger concerns than under age drinking and pot. Almost every young person experiments ( I honestly didnt- sports was the big thing in my life, I never really even thought about drinking, smoking or drugs)

Serge- I'm proud of you for being able to quit the drugs !!!:thumb:

 

[KB824]

Well, Vin. Its been 18 years, and there's times where I really miss the high , but I'm smart enough to know now that if I endulge again, I'm a dead man. When I do something, its never in moderation.


Like this forum for example. Gone for three months, then boom, 300 posts in a week

 

[Torkel]

Wow, some pretty hardcore stuff here. Very glad you were able to quite Sergio, hope you are doing alright, and be careful River.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++
Well, Vin. Its been 18 years, and there's times where I really miss the high , but I'm smart enough to know now that if I endulge again, I'm a dead man. When I do something, its never in moderation.


Like this forum for example. Gone for three months, then boom, 300 posts in a week

But thats a good thing not in moderation.

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by Torkel ] ++
Wow, some pretty hardcore stuff here. Very glad you were able to quite Sergio, hope you are doing alright, and be careful River.

Well, this thread was designed to be about everything and nothing at all at the same time, so shit like this is going to pop up.