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Mar 6, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


Everyone would cave if they were being forced to write a thesis on top of an already overcrowded schedule
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..ah..
I knew you wouldn't last long..
The temptation of the weed is too strong.. :p



How's your thesis coming along?
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



TBH, I think Iraq was a better place under Saddam. It may improve in a few years, but I think the overall situation was better than it is now.
Its for the long term, and even if the main aim was oil, for the best of the country overall. Even if it was a selfish motive to invade, it brought a pretty crazy dictator out of power.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Zé Tahir ] ++
Yea he probably did make the movie to make money, sole purpose? I don't think so, however that's irrelevant. So Bush is in Iraq for the sole purpose of "bringing freedom to the iraqi ppl" AND nothing else??
I don't see the point of that comment...nobody should be following either party blindly.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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The Kurds probably not, but the Iraqis might.

As much as they might have hated him, I dont recall there being street fights on this scale, suicide bombings every day, innocent people being killed by insurgents, etc. He might have been a rutheless dictator that controlled the media, killed his enemies and it's a good think he has been removed from power, but with the thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis killed by US forces and insurgents, the thousand US soldiers and the constant living in fear of an entire nation struggeling on the bring of a civil war, I have to ask if the price was too high.
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
The Kurds probably not, but the Iraqis might.

As much as they might have hated him, I dont recall there being street fights on this scale, suicide bombings every day, innocent people being killed by insurgents, etc. He might have been a rutheless dictator that controlled the media, killed his enemies and it's a good think he has been removed from power, but with the thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis killed by US forces and insurgents, the thousand US soldiers and the constant living in fear of an entire nation struggeling on the bring of a civil war, I have to ask if the price was too high.
Its for the long term. The americans havent handled it very well short term, but Iraqi will be better off in 10 years time then it would of been in 10 years with Saddam.
 

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


How so? they got to where they are from being the best in making descions and intelligent marketing..
They are the best at moving into a new area, driving the competition out of business, and then raising their prices.

Look...any of the economic systems are bad. Capitalism is the worst system out there, except all the rest (to coin a phrase)

Where 20 mom and pop stores once employed 100 people, they'll come in and employ 75, and call it progress.
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++
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..ah..
I knew you wouldn't last long..
The temptation of the weed is too strong.. :p



How's your thesis coming along?
It's not :D

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
The Kurds probably not, but the Iraqis might.

As much as they might have hated him, I dont recall there being street fights on this scale, suicide bombings every day, innocent people being killed by insurgents, etc. He might have been a rutheless dictator that controlled the media, killed his enemies and it's a good think he has been removed from power, but with the thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis killed by US forces and insurgents, the thousand US soldiers and the constant living in fear of an entire nation struggeling on the bring of a civil war, I have to ask if the price was too high.
Iraqis? Kurds ARE Iraqis. I think you're referring to the minority of the Soonites; of which Saddam Hussein decended. The other peoples of Iraq (the vast majority: Shiites, Kurds and others) were all oppressed by Saddam.

That's why it's currently taking so long for a decent government to be formed: there are MANY different peoples living inside Iraq.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


Its for the long term. The americans havent handled it very well short term, but Iraqi will be better off in 10 years time then it would of been in 10 years with Saddam.
Thats probably true, but then again, it might not be. The Americans cant and wont stay there forever and when they leave who knows what might happen.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


It's not :D



Iraqis? Kurds ARE Iraqis. I think you're referring to the minority of the Soonites; of which Saddam Hussein decended. The other peoples of Iraq (the vast majority: Shiites, Kurds and others) were all oppressed by Saddam.

That's why it's currently taking so long for a decent government to be formed: there are MANY different peoples living inside Iraq.

Well, if you want to put it that way. And believe me, I do know about the difficulties of creating a government for people of different religions and ethnicity.
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Well, if you want to put it that way. And believe me, I do know about the difficulties of creating a government for people of different religions and ethnicity.
I realise that. I was merely pointing out that I don't believe the majority of Iraqis would agree they had it better under Saddam. With the exception of the Soonites (spelling), who obviously did.
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++


Thats probably true, but then again, it might not be. The Americans cant and wont stay there forever and when they leave who knows what might happen.
Well if they go along the road of a liberal democracy, or most things bar one man dictarship they it will be by default a better situation.

At least politcally. They might not be ecomonomically strong for years to come if the Americans did pinch some oil after all, as it is a major export for them.
 

Respaul

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



TBH, I think Iraq was a better place under Saddam. It may improve in a few years, but I think the overall situation was better than it is now.
Yeah... like Yugoslavia was a better place under Milosevic :rolleyes:
 

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