Nick Against the World (72 Viewers)

[Max]

++ [ originally posted by Centrocampista ] ++
2) I don't think we should go easy on Catholics or the pope. The previous pope is responsible for a lot of deaths by forbidding things like condoms. As a whole the Catholic church is one awful bloody mess. I for one am not proud of what our Church has done in the past.

Horseshit.

In the Catholic belief, the sole purpose of sex is to reproduce. A condom, as well as many other contraceptives, prevent this from occuring. Why would the Vatican Council allow such a device?

And then comes the whole AIDS epidemic. The Church could do nothing about everyone ****ing around. After all, if I recall correctly, they believe sex after marriage.

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Centrocampista ] ++
To Tom's defence here:

1) In all probability Jesus, the foundation of our Catholic belief, was no more than a mere thug. He was some sort of gang leader , who wasn't accepted by the Jews nor the Romans and founded his own religion. Christianity started out as a sect and in a lot of things still is one. So the notion of Jesus Christ is ridiculous to say the least.

2) I don't think we should go easy on Catholics or the pope. The previous pope is responsible for a lot of deaths by forbidding things like condoms. As a whole the Catholic church is one awful bloody mess. I for one am not proud of what our Church has done in the past.

3) People only are religious because they're scared. They only believe in afterlife because they want to. As far as I know Christianity was still made by people and doesn't originate from some divine act. So please, Nick, let's keep things real here.

On the other hand, Tom, it's not a proven fact they're wrong either. Agreed, chances they're right are fairly low, yet you can't know for sure. So saying that they throw their lives away is uncalled for, because you can't know for sure.

I'm sorry, but that comment is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY......... over the fvckin' line

someone ban his sorry ass !!!

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Centrocampista ] ++
To Tom's defence here:

1) In all probability Jesus, the foundation of our Catholic belief, was no more than a mere thug. He was some sort of gang leader, who wasn't accepted by the Jews nor the Romans and founded his own religion. Christianity started out as a sect and in a lot of things still is one. So the notion of Jesus Christ is ridiculous to say the least.

2) I don't think we should go easy on Catholics or the pope. The previous pope is responsible for a lot of deaths by forbidding things like condoms. As a whole the Catholic church is one awful bloody mess. I for one am not proud of what our Church has done in the past.

3) People only are religious because they're scared. They only believe in afterlife because they want to. As far as I know Christianity was still made by people and doesn't originate from some divine act. So please, Nick, let's keep things real here.

On the other hand, Tom, it's not a proven fact they're wrong either. Agreed, chances they're right are fairly low, yet you can't know for sure. So saying that they throw their lives away is uncalled for, because you can't know for sure.

It amazes me how much of a stupid, dipshit child you are that needs to grow up (report this post and have me banned because responding to this horsesh*t is punishment enough).
Do you not see what the discussion was about?
It was not about WHETHER Catholics are right..Muslims are right or Buddhists are right..its about RESPECTING ONE'S BELIEFS....
SUCH AS NOT SAYING THINGS LIKE
"In all probability Jesus, the foundation of our Catholic belief, was no more than a mere thug. He was some sort of gang leader,"
Basically that is pissing on people's beliefs and degrading individuals faith
furthermore your
"notion of Jesus Christ is ridiculous to say the least."
Is also putting people down and ridiculing their faith....


Seven, you're a sad sack of sh*t...

You only post to get reactions and its obvious you don't listen to what is beign said..
Then you CLAIM you are leaving only to come back and pretend its your "BROTHER"
Funny how your brother posts very much like you and has a way of knocking other cultures much like you...

You make me sick to my stomach.....learn to accept others and their culture/beliefs you moron

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Interesting... Something gets a reaction from Lou... About time...

Anyway.... Rather than argue about it again and again... Jus read this thread.... to know how this will end...


http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9073&postid=599814#post599814

The point is not WHO is RIGHT and WHO IS WRONG...this ain't the ****in school yard....

The point is to respect what others choose to believe in. Its one thing making an arguement on WHY Jesus was not really divine as you did a while back.
Its another to 'shit' and 'ridicule' a person's belief.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Centrocampista ] ++
I'm "bashing" your God? HAVE YOU READ MY POST?

FFS, I even said no one could say you're wrong, because no one knows. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you? People can disagree you know.

You disagreed? You stated that the notion of Jesus was ridiculous..you don't think that is DISRESPECTFUL??

++ [ originally posted by Centrocampista ] ++
Besides, the things I said in my post were true,

Saying Jesus was a thug and just a gangster...that is true??

++ [ originally posted by Centrocampista ] ++
if you're going to deny that you're close to being an imbecile. I never bashed you, your religion or your god, you obnoxious prick.

WHy don't you grow the f*ck up CHILD. You have no clue what you are saying and its obvious you are posting out of your arse.

Do us a favor and get out of our face....

We didn't want your other 'personality' ... we don't want this one...
what more don't you understand?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

I apologize to the Mods for this outburst....in retrospect it probably was not worth it. But some of you know how it is...
I hate to see this thread or forum be stuck in this bickering when we have Pado's sense of humor, Greg's experience on everything from espresso to Tokyo and Andy's theory on why 'Juve is better than Milan' to enjoy...

A few jabs is healthy once in a while....but at times it gets to a place where I and I'm sure others do not want to post anymore.

On that note....


FORZA PARMA


:cheesy:

 

[The Pado]

If we can pretend for a moment that Seven and Centro really are brothers, then I have to ask:

What in the name of Moggi did their parents do to those boys?

I have been all over the world. I have represented adults that have sexual intercourse with their own babies. But I am still amazed at the drivel that has been posted under these two accounts over the past 14 months. Either their parents need to have their parental rights terminated and the children placed in foster homes, or the school system of their city needs to be burned to the ground, paved over, and have a Milan Shop erected in its place.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[The Pado]

Nicky Prick, you know I don't give a crap in a paper bag about western religions, but Jesus was a thug? A gang leader? Yeah, and Galliani screws fat chicks, right?

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

FORZA PARMA


:cheesy:

Go eat some ham, you bloated, porcine, piss balloon throwing fundamentalist.
HAM I SAY!

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


I don't need to say a thing..you shoot yourself in the foot and prove my point with your every post.

Stating that "the Catholic Religion is bullsh*t and the horsesh*t and implying people are morons with too much time on their hands AND ending off by laughing at the notion of Jesus Christ" is not belittlement?? What more do you want???
You are not only disagreeing you are going the extra step not to show why they are wrong but to make fun of them ... basically failing to respect what others believe..the way others live and the way others choose to lead their lives.

BE-LITTLEMENT:

To treat something or someone as unimportant, or of little or no significance; to speak or write disparagingly about it or them.

I don't see much point repeating myself here - its obviously way over your head. If you think thats belittlement thats up to you, but until someone who's opinion is even remotely objective agrees with you I ain't gonna debate it further. Obviously you prefer a nanny state where political correctness rules supreme and you can't say or do a thing without offending someone's beliefs. You live in a very sad world if thats your way of living.

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


Tom -- and I entirely mean this respectfully -- it sounds as if you don't recognize that your own personal metaphysics is akin to a religious belief in itself. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. And the opposite of a deep belief in some higher being isn't atheism, it's probably more like agnosticism. And your impassioned responses indicate anything but apathy about this subject. You're as much a religious zealot as they come.

In other words, to the casual observer you make it quite clear that you've got your own jihad going on, brother.

What it seems that you fail to comprehend here is that your choice of a religious belief system (or what you might dismiss as a lack thereof) or faith (or what you might dismiss as a lack thereof) has to be held to the same standard. Otherwise, you sound as you do now -- coming off with more than a complete air of smug superiority in how your belief system is naturally and unquestionably correct relative to everyone else's.

Which, in this respect, puts you in the same camp as every Crusader who raped and pillaged Asia Minor in the name of Christ ... and every radical Muslim who believes so deeply in the superiority of their idea of Islamic law that they strap on homemade bombs to take out busloads of children in the name of Allah. Sure, nobody dies on this forum, but the very same sense of self-righteousness and superiority is there.

And then you make these statements with a real streak of malice behind them. It isn't enough to respectfully disagree, you need to remind people of how your belief system is naturally superior to theirs. It isn't enough to let people mourn the death of their spiritual leader in silence, you have to open your mouth and let your superior opinion be known about how much the guy was a fraud in the middle of his eulogy.

And then you wonder why people get bent out of shape at your responses. After all, they're the ones with the inferior belief system, right?

I would have thought you could do better than churn out the same bullshit as the others but here we go again. Interesting that you think lack of religion is in itself a religion. I can't for the life of me see why, but perhaps I'm just not as educated as you, wise one. Not believeing in a religion cannot be a religion.. the whole point of not being religious is just that.. you don't believe in what the other religions put across, you don't believe in a separate god of your own, so you are NOT religious, you do not follow a religion of any kind.

As said before I don't mind if people criticise my lack of faith with the same abruptness and scathing tone as I have theirs, its a free world, its an internet forum where you are supposed to debate as far as I am aware. I don't think I have sperior views, simply that they are the only common sense option available to me. There is no evidence that any of these religions have a basis in reality yet I am criticised for saying so, as if I should feel guilty about upsetting people's feelings and somewhat inferior for not believing. Which is texactly the crime you accuse me of. If you're not happy with the way I debate things, you could at least be a tad more objective and criticise your american buddies too. If thats not beyond you, it would be a refreshing change of direction.

Anyway saying I have a jihad, and comparing me to suicide bombers just goes to show you're as bad as Nick and Andy, shame to say it.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Nicky Prick, you know I don't give a crap in a paper bag about western religions, but Jesus was a thug? A gang leader? Yeah, and Galliani screws fat chicks, right?

Actually that hypothesis is widely accepted. Jesus was someone who lived in the margin of society and therefore made his own religion. The Jesus fairytale we read doesn't make any sense. Also note that Christianity has a lot in common with most sects, there's no need to act all holy about it. Banning my brother for this post was completely unfair and biased.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


It amazes me how much of a stupid, dipshit child you are that needs to grow up (report this post and have me banned because responding to this horsesh*t is punishment enough).
Do you not see what the discussion was about?
It was not about WHETHER Catholics are right..Muslims are right or Buddhists are right..its about RESPECTING ONE'S BELIEFS....
SUCH AS NOT SAYING THINGS LIKE
"In all probability Jesus, the foundation of our Catholic belief, was no more than a mere thug. He was some sort of gang leader,"
Basically that is pissing on people's beliefs and degrading individuals faith
furthermore your
"notion of Jesus Christ is ridiculous to say the least."
Is also putting people down and ridiculing their faith....


Seven, you're a sad sack of sh*t...

You only post to get reactions and its obvious you don't listen to what is beign said..
Then you CLAIM you are leaving only to come back and pretend its your "BROTHER"
Funny how your brother posts very much like you and has a way of knocking other cultures much like you...

You make me sick to my stomach.....learn to accept others and their culture/beliefs you moron

And for the record, we're Roman Catholics. So knocking other cultures in this discussion is out of the question.

 

[Seven]

It wasn't fair to ban him, because he disagreed with a religious belief. Calling Jesus a thug is something you can do you know. This isn't the 15th century FFS.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Don't even bother with the guy, Lou. All of his points were grossly misconstrued and have little factual backing...especially when you look at point three in which he labels us all "scared."

In all probability Jesus was the greatest human being to ever walk this Earth...he could do no wrong and loved everybody with equal compassion. Calling Jesus a thug or a gang leader just because he broke away from traditional Jewish beliefs obviously points to lack of understanding and misconception of facts...or perhaps sheer stupidity.

And saying the Pope is responsible for thousands of deaths is quite simply laughable...he does not hold a gun to your head saying "do not wear a condom" and he's not the one who made you become infected with AIDS. All these supposed arguments are terribly biased I'm afraid.

how naive are you? They couldn't tell a five year old that shit here.
In strong religious countries what the pope says is that the people do. So in a way he does hold a gun to their head. Not having sex isn't always that easy in poorer countries either.

As for the "scared" argument, that's only logical. There's no other reason to believe in God than fear. You're scared because you don't know why you live and you don't know what will come after death. So you invent your own God, who gives you guidance.

RELIGION IS MADE BY PEOPLE. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY PEOPLE. THE KORAN WAS WRITTEN BY PEOPLE. CHURCHES WERE BUILT BY PEOPLE. RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE ELECTED BY PEOPLE.

I nearly forgot to ask, show me YOUR factual backing. Prove to me that Jesus was the greatest dude ever. And show me WHY I'm biased, because I am a Roman Catholic you know.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Hey, I want someone to fight with, too.



Jeeks, you stupid, greasy darkie - I'm afraid of you and my mother told me not to trust you, but I'm coming to Armenia/Sweden/Palestine/Ecuador, or wherever you're hiding out and I'm going to bash you with a wet prosciutto. AND, you are a big doo-doo head (got that one from Andy) :geek:

I am up for a fight anytime :fero:

I'll slap you with a dried trout now!!

But can you tell me how this Centrocampista in no time knows so much about everyone?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


I would have thought you could do better than churn out the same bullshit as the others but here we go again. Interesting that you think lack of religion is in itself a religion. I can't for the life of me see why, but perhaps I'm just not as educated as you, wise one. Not believeing in a religion cannot be a religion.. the whole point of not being religious is just that.. you don't believe in what the other religions put across, you don't believe in a separate god of your own, so you are NOT religious, you do not follow a religion of any kind.

As said before I don't mind if people criticise my lack of faith with the same abruptness and scathing tone as I have theirs, its a free world, its an internet forum where you are supposed to debate as far as I am aware. I don't think I have sperior views, simply that they are the only common sense option available to me. There is no evidence that any of these religions have a basis in reality yet I am criticised for saying so, as if I should feel guilty about upsetting people's feelings and somewhat inferior for not believing. Which is texactly the crime you accuse me of. If you're not happy with the way I debate things, you could at least be a tad more objective and criticise your american buddies too. If thats not beyond you, it would be a refreshing change of direction.

Anyway saying I have a jihad, and comparing me to suicide bombers just goes to show you're as bad as Nick and Andy, shame to say it.

Everybody is wrong except you right Bud...
For some strage reason its always the case with these types who can't respect what others choose to believe.

Speaking of OVER ONE'S HEAD...its obvious that you could not appreciate Swag's approach towards your attitude..I think straight out comparing you to others who don't respect and be-little others (KKK, Skinheads) was a better way to get the point across to you...Swag was much classier and polite to you....but not suprisingly, you get very offended when someone states your attitude towards others is wrong.
If you think laughing at one's beliefs and commenting on why it exists in a ridiculing fashion is right..then someone else is living a sad life.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++



Go eat some ham, you bloated, porcine, piss balloon throwing fundamentalist.
HAM I SAY!

To quote THE BERLUSCA:

"Parma is synonymous with good cuisine. The Finns don't even know what prosciutto is. I cannot accept this."

(On a proposal to base an EU food standards agency in Finland, rather than the Italian city of Parma)

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
If you think laughing at one's beliefs and commenting on why it exists in a ridiculing fashion is right..then someone else is living a sad life.

God you're a boring bastard aren't you. Live a little. Dare to be different, have your own opinions on life rather than spouting that same old PC bollocks!

And for the record having a sad life could be defined as racking up 5k posts on a fans forum of a team you don't even like, throwing piss bombs at people and idolising a complete and utter tosspot like your man silvio. Get a grip, if anone needs a life around here its you.

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
and idolising a complete and utter tosspot like your man silvio

Silvio's not a toss pot...