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[PhRoZeN]

No, I'm saying the book is 'problematic'. I'm not saying that everyone who reads the book automatically has the impulse to go and blow up other people.

And im saying if it was problematic then you would get a hell of a lot of people doing that. We are talking about a tiny percentage of people who want to do it. 0.1% for the sake of it lets say 5%?

 

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[Raz]

We are not on the same page of the book.

 

[Seven]

And im saying if it was problematic then you would get a hell of a lot of people doing that. We are talking about a tiny percentage of people who want to do it. 0.1% for the sake of it lets say 5%?

Oh okay. I guess 22 dead is not problematic.

 

[swag]

It really sucks that we don't really have a term for "discrimination due to religion". Racism isn't technically correct, but colloquially it definitely fits.

And yes, it would definitely be racist in that sense of the word. You can argue that it's still necessary, I can imagine situations where such discriminatory measures would be justifiable, but in this case it isn't, simply because only such a tiny, tiny portion of Muslim immigrants are terrorists.

I'm not even sure most other Muslim immigrants would even recognize themselves in these people. I mean...

I wonder how muslim Juventus fans must feel here knowing there are fellow fans who would happiliy discriminate them based on their religion. I think its unfair to blame a religion or a community based on a very tiny portion of extremists. I mean when you consider that there are like i dunno billions of muslims you would have thought the world would have blown up into smithereens by now.

Well, there's an opinion for everything. How do you think I feel when Juve fans are busted for racist chants? It doesn't exactly make me feel good, nor do I feel I can identify with the scumbags who do that in our colors. Doesn't make all juventini racists. Nor does it say that juventini, as a general rule, are not racists either.

it's not the book, its the people as I explained, when isolated individuals feel like justification is needed they will dig out anything and of course there are manipulative evil "scholors" out there who take advantage of that. Education is the way forward, both in their own religion and in general. I mean how many of these terrorists (that attacked on western soil) were actually doctors or well educated? It will be a significant lower proportion, thats not to say a doctor cant get brainwashed per say.

Fundamentalism is basically a classic response to the world, your community, and yourself as what MIT Prof. Otto Scharmer calls Absencing -- you're stuck in yourself (closed mind), you're insular in us vs them community thinking (closed heart), and you're stuck in a one truth simplicity view of the universe (closed will). It's pretty much a destructive cycle for self, family, community, and the world.

You don't need a book to give us Trump.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Oh okay. I guess 22 dead is not problematic.

I dont know what numbers have got anything to do with this.

I think, were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Seven]

I dont know what numbers have got anything to do with this.

I think, were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

They don't have anything to do with it. That's why I was surprised you brought up percentages.

 

[Ocelot]

I'm not even sure most other Muslim immigrants would even recognize themselves in these people. I mean...

Of course they don't. That's why generalizing is so problematic, and fundamentally wrong.

 

[Raz]

Of course they don't. That's why generalizing is so problematic, and fundamentally wrong.

But don't you think vague outdated "divine" texts has a hand in all of this?

 

[Seven]

But don't you think vague outdated "divine" texts has a hand in all of this?

They are being used an instrument to mobilise gullible losers imo. But even if you could prove they are, you could do nothing to prevent people from spreading these texts themselves (freedom of speech and all).

 

[Raz]

They are being used an instrument to mobilise gullible losers imo. But even if you could prove they are, you could do nothing to prevent people from spreading these texts themselves (freedom of speech and all).

Yes I know, educate and hope for the best?

 

[campionesidd]

it's not the book, its the people as I explained, when isolated individuals feel like justification is needed they will dig out anything and of course there are manipulative evil "scholors" out there who take advantage of that. Education is the way forward, both in their own religion and in general. I mean how many of these terrorists (that attacked on western soil) were actually doctors or well educated? It will be a significant lower proportion, thats not to say a doctor cant get brainwashed per say.

Many of the 9/11 terrorists were well educated and well off financially.

 

[Ocelot]

But don't you think vague outdated "divine" texts has a hand in all of this?

It's not completely unrelated, no.

But there are more than a billion people following the same texts that don't murder people. And another billion people following texts that could interpreted that as well that don't kill anyone. So clearly those texts aren't the main factor.

 

[Raz]

Do you think religious magic texts has their place in a modern future society?

 

[Fr3sh]

I wonder how muslim Juventus fans must feel here knowing there are fellow fans who would happiliy discriminate them based on their religion. I think its unfair to blame a religion or a community based on a very tiny portion of extremists. I mean when you consider that there are like i dunno billions of muslims you would have thought the world would have blown up into smithereens by now.

If Italy went to shits and Somalia had some sort of stability/peace, I'd have a HUGE smile on my face but would be disappointed no more Calshio. Would be #1 advocate of leaving their migrants drown on our shores. An eye for an eye.

 

[Ocelot]

Do you think religious magic texts has their place in a modern future society?

Well disregarding the polemical phrasing of your question, for me personally, no. But if billions of other people disagree, I have to accept their decision as long as they do not hurt others.

 

[Fr3sh]

It's not even a religion thing, would love to see Saudi Arabia burn too

 

[Ocelot]

If Italy went to shits and Somalia had some sort of stability/peace, I'd have a HUGE smile on my face but would be disappointed no more Calshio. Would be #1 advocate of leaving their migrants drown on our shores. An eye for an eye.

That's fucked up and exactly the reason for so many of the world's problems, but you probably know that already.

 

[campionesidd]

It's not completely unrelated, no.

But there are more than a billion people following the same texts that don't murder people. And another billion people following texts that could interpreted that as well that don't kill anyone. So clearly those texts aren't the main factor.

It doesn't mean that a billion people want to kill, but it does it lead to a significant chunk of that billion to believe in ideas that are completely out of sync with what we consider to be modern humanistic values today.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
The level of support for ideas like stoning people for adultery and executing people for apostasy is simply unacceptable in many countries.

 

[Fr3sh]

That's fucked up and exactly the reason for so many of the world's problems, but you probably know that already.

Would go on to make comics about it, something like this

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Would go on to make comics about it, something like this

Bro, come back from the full retard zone