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But of course. Bet the guy was an American citizen his whole life and never even left the country.
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Labels are thrown around all the time for stupid reasons. But hate crimes and terrorism have different motivations.
Well, they blur, right? Especially with Daesh and their eradication of Shia, Kurds, or anybody who doesn't adhere to their narrowly defined codes of Sunni beliefs.
But I see terrorism as typically a desperation tactic played out to achieve some strategic goal -- whether that be to wedge a wall of support between Islam in the West, getting the West out of the Middle East, creating a breakaway republic in the Philippines or Spain, etc. I liken it more to the Italian "avere" transitive verb form, as a means to an ends.
Hate crimes are more about wanting to kill and maim as many people as you can ascribe to a target group. It doesn't start or stop with strategic aims unless that's eradication of a population. I liken it more to the "essere" intransitive verb form, as a state of existence or being. It is the ends in itself.
There's tons of flaws there, but it's a rough split that I mentally make.
There's more to learn, but it seems pretty clear at this stage that the guy didn't need religion or ISIS to teach him to hate gays. He was already there. The rest are the deranged actions of someone hell-bent on suicide who found it conveniently grandiose to drape his actions in affinity to convenient broader causes that extend beyond his own loner suicide.
The guy may have shown skills and training. But if I had a terrorist agenda, I certainly wouldn't be raiding a club at 2am when 90% of America is asleep, the news cycle shifted to the next morning, and half the patrons left not long before last call.
But I see terrorism as typically a desperation tactic played out to achieve some strategic goal -- whether that be to wedge a wall of support between Islam in the West, getting the West out of the Middle East, creating a breakaway republic in the Philippines or Spain, etc. I liken it more to the Italian "avere" transitive verb form, as a means to an ends.
Hate crimes are more about wanting to kill and maim as many people as you can ascribe to a target group. It doesn't start or stop with strategic aims unless that's eradication of a population. I liken it more to the "essere" intransitive verb form, as a state of existence or being. It is the ends in itself.
There's tons of flaws there, but it's a rough split that I mentally make.
There's more to learn, but it seems pretty clear at this stage that the guy didn't need religion or ISIS to teach him to hate gays. He was already there. The rest are the deranged actions of someone hell-bent on suicide who found it conveniently grandiose to drape his actions in affinity to convenient broader causes that extend beyond his own loner suicide.
The guy may have shown skills and training. But if I had a terrorist agenda, I certainly wouldn't be raiding a club at 2am when 90% of America is asleep, the news cycle shifted to the next morning, and half the patrons left not long before last call.
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This is a religiously motivated homophobic hate crime and they are trying to reduce it into a conversation only about gun-laws.
There are two issues wrapped into this case, one is homophobic attitudes and another is easy access to guns. The former created the intent of committing the hate crime and the latter is the logistics of it.
Without easy access to big guns, he would have been just another hateful homophobe sitting at home occasionally voting against gay marriage or he would have caused less damage with a smaller gun or he would have had to work harder and pay more to get a big gun off the black market.
Without his fundamental Islamism he would have been just another normal gun owner. Both are essential issues and both should be tackled. Focusing just on the logistics doesnt solve the problem nor does focusing solely on his reasons for killing. The left tends to focus solely on logistics while the right focuses solely on his religious motivation. I dont think there ever was an event that brought out the problem with both camps as clearly as this one.
There are two issues wrapped into this case, one is homophobic attitudes and another is easy access to guns. The former created the intent of committing the hate crime and the latter is the logistics of it.
Without easy access to big guns, he would have been just another hateful homophobe sitting at home occasionally voting against gay marriage or he would have caused less damage with a smaller gun or he would have had to work harder and pay more to get a big gun off the black market.
Without his fundamental Islamism he would have been just another normal gun owner. Both are essential issues and both should be tackled. Focusing just on the logistics doesnt solve the problem nor does focusing solely on his reasons for killing. The left tends to focus solely on logistics while the right focuses solely on his religious motivation. I dont think there ever was an event that brought out the problem with both camps as clearly as this one.
What a tragedy.
What sickens me as well is the fact that Trump and Hilary are already using this as an opportunity to politicize this and make it all about guns. No matter where you stand on gun control, the fact of the matter is - in the US, if you want a shotgun or automatic rifle, you can get one on the black market just as easily as it is for you to buy illicit drugs.
Obviously the FBI may need to lift its game but sadly, there isn't much you can do about these nut jobs.
What sickens me as well is the fact that Trump and Hilary are already using this as an opportunity to politicize this and make it all about guns. No matter where you stand on gun control, the fact of the matter is - in the US, if you want a shotgun or automatic rifle, you can get one on the black market just as easily as it is for you to buy illicit drugs.
Obviously the FBI may need to lift its game but sadly, there isn't much you can do about these nut jobs.
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i doubt that they will show it
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BTW Speaking of FBI - Russian special force FSB (who are big suckers by themselves) has informed numerous times americans about Tsornaev brothers and their visits to Dagestan, but once again FBI were to busy to give a fuck about it, and then Boston's marathon bombings has happened
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fucking hell nsfw
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/4nubnk/nsfw_the_body_of_rev_bill_larson_clings_to_a/
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BTW Speaking of FBI - Russian special force FSB (who are big suckers by themselves) has informed numerous times americans about Tsornaev brothers and their visits to Dagestan, but once again FBI were to busy to give a fuck about it, and then Boston's marathon bombings has happened
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fucking hell nsfw
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/4nubnk/nsfw_the_body_of_rev_bill_larson_clings_to_a/