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[Ocelot]

Like I said, look at Mexico. They are banned and their murder rate is outrageous down there.

Criminals are the ones that don't obey the laws.

That's like saying cocaine is illegal so in the long run it would eventually go away. Has it? Nope. Cocaine industry is doing quite fine.

Because Mexico is on a whole other level concerning their overall economic and social development. The state simply doesn't even remotely have the power to actually enforce the ban. That's a completely different case from the USA, who are much more comparable to Europe for example, if you want to compare.

 

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[Hust]

You can't compare Mexico to the USA. Mexico does not have the means to enforce laws. Guns may be banned, but that is only symbolical.

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There is a right to defend yourself. That right ends when the threat of dying or suffering bodily harm has disappeared however. If a guy takes your wallet and runs off, you cannot go after him and shoot him in the back. That is not okay.

Wanna bet?

Two things here: I will chase them, unless they have a gun and I don't. If I have a gun, they will take two rounds in the knees and an ass beating until the police arrive. Second, if neither are armed I'm still going to chase the man down if I can.

 

[Seven]

Because Mexico is on a whole other level concerning their overall economic and social development. The state simply doesn't even remotely have the power to actually enforce the ban. That's a completely different case from the USA, who are much more comparable to Europe for example, if you want to compare.

You have a law degree?

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Wanna bet?

Two things here: I will chase them, unless they have a gun and I don't. If I have a gun, they will take two rounds in the knees and and ass beating until the police arrive. Second, if neither are armed I'm still going to chase the man down if I can.

I can't believe you actually think this is okay. Clearly you should be convicted of manslaughter. Killing a man because he took your wallet and then took off thus not posing any immediate threat to yourself is completely disproportionate use of violence.

A man like you should be locked away for a long time in that case.

 

[Ocelot]

I'm not a dangerous madman but if someone tries to mug me they will regret it if they live because I will make sure they will either walk with a limp the rest of their life and never mug anyone else again or they get buried. Either way, won't be my problem anymore.

Well, but that's not even "eye for eye, tooth for tooth". That's "eye for I'll murder your whole fucking family".

The punishment needs to fit the crime. If you defend yourself, no problem with me. If you want to defend yourself, and then take revenge for the attack, that's not okay.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Wanna bet?

Two things here: I will chase them, unless they have a gun and I don't. If I have a gun, they will take two rounds in the knees and an ass beating until the police arrive. Second, if neither are armed I'm still going to chase the man down if I can.

not worth prison

 

[Hust]

Because Mexico is on a whole other level concerning their overall economic and social development. The state simply doesn't even remotely have the power to actually enforce the ban. That's a completely different case from the USA, who are much more comparable to Europe for example, if you want to compare.

Look at the cities I posted and tell me what most have in common. You might see where I'm going with it. Many have poor communities and result to the same things they do in Mexico.

You have a law degree?

I can't believe you actually think this is okay. Clearly you should be convicted of manslaughter. Killing a man because he took your wallet and then took off thus not posing any immediate threat to yourself is completely disproportionate use of violence.

A man like you should be locked away for a long time in that case.

Let me clarify, if the man is fighting back and I feel threatened then yes gloves come off. If he withdraws and hands my wallet back the guy will stay pinned down until the cops come. But if I feel threatened to where my life is in danger the man is dead. Think what you want of it.

 

[Seven]

not worth prison

He doesn't think he'll go to prison. People will throw him a parade and hail him as their king. Which, given what generally happens when a cop decides to kill a guy out of nowhere, is probably not far from the truth.

 

[Hust]

not worth prison

Like I said, a jury will see what history that guy would have versus the history I don't have and see I was completely sane without a violent history. If my life is threatened and there is a risk I won't see my family again I'll take my chances.

 

[Seven]

Let me clarify, if the man is fighting back and I feel threatened then yes gloves come off. If he withdraws and hands my wallet back the guy will stay pinned down until the cops come. But if I feel threatened to where my life is in danger the man is dead. Think what you want of it.

This I do not have a problem with. It's a big difference from what you were saying initially though.

 

[Hust]

He doesn't think he'll go to prison. People will throw him a parade and hail him as their king. Which, given what generally happens when a cop decides to kill a guy out of nowhere, is probably not far from the truth.

A parade? I'm acting in self defense I could care less what people think.

 

[Seven]

Like I said, a jury will see what history that guy would have versus the history I don't have and see I was completely sane without a violent history. If my life is threatened and there is a risk I won't see my family again I'll take my chances.

Your life isn't threatened when you're chasing a guy to kill him.

 

[Hust]

This I do not have a problem with. It's a big difference from what you were saying initially though.

True, you are right I didn't clarify early enough.

 

[Seven]

A parade? I'm acting in self defense I could care less what people think.

Until of course a jury finds you guilty of manslaughter. In which case it was pretty important what people thought.

 

[Hust]

Your life isn't threatened when you're chasing a guy to kill him.

Are we going in circles? I'm chasing the guy to get my wallet back not to kill him unless he pulls out a weapon.

 

[Seven]

True, you are right I didn't clarify early enough.

Look, I think we got off on the wrong foot. I don't know you very well, but if I'm guessing I'd say you don't have a legal degree and are not really used to this world.

That would explain why you didn't clarify all of this earlier on, maybe you didn't think it was relevant. Perhaps it's best that we both try to be very clear about what we mean to avoid misunderstandings.

 

[Hust]

Until of course a jury finds you guilty of manslaughter. In which case it was pretty important what people thought.

But they wouldn't. I'd be a guy minding his own business and acted in self defense. It wasn't me looking for trouble, it would have been the aggressor looking for trouble.

 

[swag]

Are we going in circles?

Every 24 hours

 

[Seven]

But they wouldn't. I'd be a guy minding his own business and acted in self defense. It wasn't me looking for trouble, it would have been the aggressor looking for trouble.

Yes, but in the example I gave you chased the guy. Self defence ends when you are no longer in danger. Even if it may start out as self defence, it does not necessarily stay that way.

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Every 24 hours

U funny.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Are we going in circles? I'm chasing the guy to get my wallet back not to kill him unless he pulls out a weapon.

Solution: we need to find a better solution than a wallet. I mean, it's 21st century after all.

Bitcoin is a good example.

I don't think anyone would break into my house to get my HDD.

 

[Hust]

Look, I think we got off on the wrong foot. I don't know you very well, but if I'm guessing I'd say you don't have a legal degree and are not really used to this world.

That would explain why you didn't clarify all of this earlier on, maybe you didn't think it was relevant. Perhaps it's best that we both try to be very clear about what we mean to avoid misunderstandings.

Agree. I don't have a law degree but one of my best friends is a lawyer and a girl I dated for two years is a lawyer. I'd say you don't really need a law degree to know acting in self -defense isn't always wrong.

Now, like I said I'd like to reiterate that the only time I would kill a man is if I am clear my life is in danger or they have a weapon then I don't think I really have a choice but to defend myself. Now, a guy running with my wallet I will chase him unless I know he has a gun or knife and I'm unarmed. Earlier when I said he wouldn't stop hitting until he stopped moving that was more meant until he was knocked out.