New Juve coach: Part Deux (20 Viewers)

[Bisco]

Why would he laugh? Still better than having Ole at the wheel. Mou is nowhere near as good as he used to be, but was his stint at Union really that bad? Starting to think that team just isn't any better.

i think mou should'nt shoulder the blame for his mu stint on his own, the board at Man Utd didn't have a plan on how to go forward imo following the retirement of Saf.

 

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[Stephan]

Mourinho football is not suited to Manutd in general. Utd only signed him cause he is superstar name in England. But everyone knows he plays anti-football. Having said that he wanted world class defender and got Lindelof. Next job shows if Mourinho still has it.
Also epl pundits never criticize english players. Pogba gets all the blame.

 

[ColloRosso]

"When you are almost alone, in that you don't have the support of the club close to you, while certain players go somewhat against the coach, who is the nice guy? I don't want to be the nice guy, because the nice guy, after three months, is a puppet and that doesn't end well.


I said nine or 10 months ago that after winning eight championships, finishing second with United may have been my greatest achievement. Now people understand.


About United I want to say only two things: One is that time has spoken. Two is that the problems are still there."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...o-nice-guy-managers-can-end-becoming-puppets/

 

[dolph]

So Nedved issued an ultimatum - him or Allegri. He got his way.

OK, him and Paratici are going down that road. No Marotta, no Allegri anymore.They'll choose their own coach (Conte if AA gives up), they'll bring their players in so let's see. Nedved in particular seems to have taken a leading role.

They didn't accept Allegri's ideas now and Marotta's last summer and they seem to take those as criticism of their own work instead of having mature discussions and being realistic about this team. But now those two usual suspects are gone - no more Marotta to be blamed for every transfer and no more Allegri to take blame for every result and every game. Especially if they leave most of the team untouched, Idk what they think they'll get with Conte or Inzaghi that they didn't have with Allegri or what non-Italian coach is going to work under those conditions. And the whole club put an immense pressure on itself to basically be in a position where it's CL or bust which is ludicrous to me. But let's see what moves they're going to make in that direction.

You can't force coach's hand on every decision. Allegri didn't want Romero, didn't want Chiesa, didn't want Higuain back then. He asked for trequartista for years never got it. Asked for SMS last summer, didn't get him. Domestic coaches are going to take that, I doubt anyone else will. I maintain this is not the way to win that trophy, but obviously I hope I'm wrong.

I am sure we will have a hard time finding a coach that will settle for Ronaldo, Cancelo, Spinazola, Can, Bonucci.

 

[Boksic]

Ole failing at Man Utd (as expected) doesn't make Mourinho a better manager, even though he is trying to twist it that way.

Jose failed at Man Utd. They have spent a fortune and they were miles off the pace, played dreadful football and were incredibly fortunate to make it out of the CL group this year.

You can say how well he did at Chelsea but he had Abramovich throwing crazy money around. At Inter he had absolutely no competition. At Porto he did a superb job, with a superb squad and won a crazy CL against Monaco. He has always been good at being an underdog and using the world against us mentality. That doesn't really work at clubs like Man Utd and Juve.

There was a time when you thought if Jose goes to a club the players will instantly react and just having him on the bench will boost the team, such was the image he created and respect he commanded. I'm not sure today's Jose has that anymore.

Time will tell if he still has got it to be a top coach. Sometimes eras end for coaches, look at Sacchi.

 

[Osman]

Any of you advocating for Mourinho as candidate must be trolling.

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[ColloRosso]

Ole failing at Man Utd (as expected) doesn't make Mourinho a better manager, even though he is trying to twist it that way.

Jose failed at Man Utd. They have spent a fortune and they were miles off the pace, played dreadful football and were incredibly fortunate to make it out of the CL group this year.

You can say how well he did at Chelsea but he had Abramovich throwing crazy money around. At Inter he had absolutely no competition. At Porto he did a superb job, with a superb squad and won a crazy CL against Monaco. He has always been good at being an underdog and using the world against us mentality. That doesn't really work at clubs like Man Utd and Juve.

There was a time when you thought if Jose goes to a club the players will instantly react and just having him on the bench will boost the team, such was the image he created and respect he commanded. I'm not sure today's Jose has that anymore.

Time will tell if he still has got it to be a top coach. Sometimes eras end for coaches, look at Sacchi.

I don't agree with the Man U part. It's not the same when you ask class defenders and have to fare with Jones and Smalling

You can also really notice the absence of Rui Faria and after Zlatan left they've become clearly leaderless also on the pitch.

 

[icemaη]

Ole failing at Man Utd (as expected) doesn't make Mourinho a better manager, even though he is trying to twist it that way.

Jose failed at Man Utd. They have spent a fortune and they were miles off the pace, played dreadful football and were incredibly fortunate to make it out of the CL group this year.

You can say how well he did at Chelsea but he had Abramovich throwing crazy money around. At Inter he had absolutely no competition. At Porto he did a superb job, with a superb squad and won a crazy CL against Monaco. He has always been good at being an underdog and using the world against us mentality. That doesn't really work at clubs like Man Utd and Juve.

There was a time when you thought if Jose goes to a club the players will instantly react and just having him on the bench will boost the team, such was the image he created and respect he commanded. I'm not sure today's Jose has that anymore.

Time will tell if he still has got it to be a top coach. Sometimes eras end for coaches, look at Sacchi.

The problem at United is Woodward. He spends insane amount of money, but you look at the squad and its average. Even their top money players like Sanchez is rubbish now. They are stuck with a player with an insanely expensive contract they can't get rid of.

 

[ColloRosso]

The problem at United is Woodward. He spends insane amount of money, but you look at the squad and its average. Even their top money players like Sanchez is rubbish now. They are stuck with a player with an insanely expensive contract they can't get rid of.

If you look at Mou now you can clearly see that he recovered about 10 years of his life just not having to deal with Ed Woodward

 

[Boksic]

The problem at United is Woodward. He spends insane amount of money, but you look at the squad and its average. Even their top money players like Sanchez is rubbish now. They are stuck with a player with an insanely expensive contract they can't get rid of.

I suppose this is partly true.

But Sanchez was at his peak when Man Utd bought him. They have Pogba who many claim to be the best midfielder in the world. Lukaku a proven goalscorer in the premier league. They have De Gea who many claim to be the best goalkeeper. They have Martial who many want to sign here. Darmian we are told is a good option for Juve. Lindelof was a top player for Benfica. Mata has proven himself in that league. Many wanted Matic here.

Mourinho asked for a lot of these players, got them and couldn't get them to perform. Their squad should be capable of more.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Any of you advocating for Mourinho as candidate must be trolling.

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This.

Would take Giuseppe Iachini or Delio Rossi over him.

 

[lgorTudor]

Any of you advocating for Mourinho as candidate must be trolling.

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This.

Would take Leonardo Semplici and Domenico Di Carlo over him.

 

[Wings]

Any of you advocating for Mourinho as candidate must be trolling.

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This.
I would rather have Zeman over him.

 

[zizinho]

United did spend a fortune on their squad but they did so on the wrong players. Zero leadership and character in that team, players like Mandzukic, Chiellini, Ronaldo who can drag the team forward when things dont go as planned. Turns out you cant just throw whatever money it takes on all the next this or that young sensations and build a team that way. Who would have thought

 

[Lion]

i'd rather have rakib coach the team than mourinho

a tleast it will be fun meltdown as opposed to painful metldown

 

[GarfielD]

I just wanna say, whoever we get, I will support. After the reaction we all had when we got Allegri after Conte left, and then we all have been proven wrong, I trust the board.

 

[ColloRosso]

i'd rather have rakib coach the team than mourinho

a tleast it will be fun meltdown as opposed to painful metldown

Who is rakib?

What? His meltdowns are the best in the world's football... so sour and salty and still putting the press in check... because he can

 

[Stephan]

I really hope its not Sarri or Gasperini. Those guys are in their 60s and won nothing with their "exciting" football. Del Neri part II.

 

[ColloRosso]

3:40

 

[Dantes]

Im not saying this happens but it makes lot of sense for him to move on. If he wins the CL even more. He cant achieve any bigger with Tottenham. Man City will always outspend them so no epl title. He has managed in Spain and England. He has relatives in Turin. Going to Italy next makes a lot of sense. Otherwise there is also Psg. He used to play for them you know. So i wouldnt be all that confident.

Whilst I should never be too confident about ANYTHING as a Tottenham fan, perhaps you shouldn't get your hopes up too much either as a Juventus supporter.

I think that would be good advice to the both of us as supporters.

Also, we tend to be mainly realists as Tottenham fans, and a little pessimistic. We always expect the worst outcome and merely hope for the best one. If something can go wrong, it usually does. That's our default stance. Having said all that (and seeing a lot more of Spurs' world than anyone on here, and by a country mile) and even though I would agree that Poch / Juve could be a reasonable fit for both parties, this is still a move I just don't see happening. There are a lot of factors in play here and which we're looking at from the outside in. So I won't try and analyse and explain all of them from the perspective that I have. It'll still be a subjective opinion. An IMHO position. And I'm also conscious this is your club's forum and not mine. You want to talk about what's happening in Turin and not in London.

But I would still be genuinely shocked to read that Poch is moving to Juve. It would be extremely left-field right now.

So, that's my view from the other side of the fence. Make of that what you will. If I get the sense of a mood change over here, I'll update you. But it will certainly not be before 1st June!