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maybe I'm way off on this...but a TERRORIST organization is more or less running Lebanon, and these TERRORISTS are hiding among the innocent people of Lebanon, basically using them as shields to further the deaths of the innocent, and collateral damage towards Israel
Hezbollah have weapons provided by Iran and Syria...why dont they just come out and fight in the open, so that the innocent people of Lebanon arent being killed BECAUSE of them
talk about cowards....
Hezbollah have weapons provided by Iran and Syria...why dont they just come out and fight in the open, so that the innocent people of Lebanon arent being killed BECAUSE of them
talk about cowards....
Ok let me regress and put myself in your shoes or rather the neo-cons, the Israelis, and all right wing politics. Not that I agree with their ideals but just for the sake of the argument.
Hizbollah is a terrorist organization, Al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization, OBL is a terrorist, Zarqawi is a terrorist...etc. We should stop terrorism because we value life and these bastards don't, we must find solutions to this problem what do we do?
Fast Forward.....more than 250,000 civilian fatalities in Iraq, around 1000 killed and more than a million lebaneese refugee, civilians killed daily in ghazza...etc. What do you think the pictures of grey dead babies with pacifiers dangling from their PJs, kids crying beside their dying mothers, and whole cities turned into rubble would breed? Undoubtly all these pictures and events will breed hatered and an unquenched thirst of revenge to anything related to the cause!
I will tell you vinnie, that Hizbollah has unprecendented backing in Lebanon now, not that I have factual or scientific studies to back my claim, but its only normal and that is what I see on the ground. With every Hizbollah militia dead, two will pop up. Whether they are using innocent civilians as human shields or not, people will never stand with Israel against Hizbollah. Take it from me, I am an Arab and I know how the majority will react....Lebaneese learned from their past experiences and will not turn against each other.
Indeed Al-Zawahiri came out yesterday and claims that "Al-Jama'a Al-Islamia in Egypt" (and Islamic group) joined Al-Qaeda. Whatever Israel and the States are doing in the region, I am sure as hell its not dismantling Terrorist cells, but on the contrary they are galvanizing them. The Arabic governments will feel the brunt of this, as their defening silence on whats happening now will never go unpunished in the minds of these wackos. America, Europe and Israel, should also expect more 911's , London and Madrid bombings. And we have Bushy, Rummy, Connie, and Dickie to thank...
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Hizbollah is a terrorist organization, Al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization, OBL is a terrorist, Zarqawi is a terrorist...etc. We should stop terrorism because we value life and these bastards don't, we must find solutions to this problem what do we do?
Fast Forward.....more than 250,000 civilian fatalities in Iraq, around 1000 killed and more than a million lebaneese refugee, civilians killed daily in ghazza...etc. What do you think the pictures of grey dead babies with pacifiers dangling from their PJs, kids crying beside their dying mothers, and whole cities turned into rubble would breed? Undoubtly all these pictures and events will breed hatered and an unquenched thirst of revenge to anything related to the cause!
I will tell you vinnie, that Hizbollah has unprecendented backing in Lebanon now, not that I have factual or scientific studies to back my claim, but its only normal and that is what I see on the ground. With every Hizbollah militia dead, two will pop up. Whether they are using innocent civilians as human shields or not, people will never stand with Israel against Hizbollah. Take it from me, I am an Arab and I know how the majority will react....Lebaneese learned from their past experiences and will not turn against each other.
Indeed Al-Zawahiri came out yesterday and claims that "Al-Jama'a Al-Islamia in Egypt" (and Islamic group) joined Al-Qaeda. Whatever Israel and the States are doing in the region, I am sure as hell its not dismantling Terrorist cells, but on the contrary they are galvanizing them. The Arabic governments will feel the brunt of this, as their defening silence on whats happening now will never go unpunished in the minds of these wackos. America, Europe and Israel, should also expect more 911's , London and Madrid bombings. And we have Bushy, Rummy, Connie, and Dickie to thank...
int:No it was brewing slowly with the Palestine-Israeli conflict, but people tend to forget. But shocking them repeatedly will extremly expedite everything.
Again thinking wearing your hat, how the hell do you want a lebaneese realize that Israel is not the enemy when they see them commiting "seemingly" genocide on their own?
All I am saying that all this violence that America more or less is responsible for, will only breed more...its not solving anything.
Again thinking wearing your hat, how the hell do you want a lebaneese realize that Israel is not the enemy when they see them commiting "seemingly" genocide on their own?
All I am saying that all this violence that America more or less is responsible for, will only breed more...its not solving anything.
Rami, you make a lot of sense and you speak the truth. But now you tell me what is your solution to these problems. Hizballah will continue to fight Israel because its aim is to destroy Israel. So whether or not Israel reacted , it would still be attacked. I presume Bin Laden will continue to fight the U.S if he wasn't attacked. What should be done ?
Lol thanx, but by no means am I on the Israeli-neo-con side.
But there is no quick fix, and I think its too late. The Iraqi and Afghani war were big mistakes. The damage is already done, the drift between the two ideologies have never been so big. The fixes would be impossible to be done voulantairly.
First of all America should retreat and leave the gulf forever, this is what pissed Bin Laden in the first place, he didn't want to see America's intervention back in the 2nd gulf war in the beggining of the 90's.
Second, establish peace in Palestine. Which is also impossible IMO. for 50 years Arabs and Israelis have been fighting with pockets of "peace" here and there. But I don't think it will ever be established. One of them must prevail.
In short the times will just become darker...
Edit: By no means is Hizbollah a problem IMO. How do you think Hizbollah will actually end Israel? Israel is deeply entrenched and has a very strong and organized army, while Hizbollah is just a militia. Will a couple of rockets destroy Israel? No? But Guriella warfare could deeply dent the Israeli war machine, couple that with escalation from other Arab countries, NOW THAT could cause destruction to Israel....this war was never in the best interest of Israel. But it's arrogance that got you there....
But there is no quick fix, and I think its too late. The Iraqi and Afghani war were big mistakes. The damage is already done, the drift between the two ideologies have never been so big. The fixes would be impossible to be done voulantairly.
First of all America should retreat and leave the gulf forever, this is what pissed Bin Laden in the first place, he didn't want to see America's intervention back in the 2nd gulf war in the beggining of the 90's.
Second, establish peace in Palestine. Which is also impossible IMO. for 50 years Arabs and Israelis have been fighting with pockets of "peace" here and there. But I don't think it will ever be established. One of them must prevail.
In short the times will just become darker...
Edit: By no means is Hizbollah a problem IMO. How do you think Hizbollah will actually end Israel? Israel is deeply entrenched and has a very strong and organized army, while Hizbollah is just a militia. Will a couple of rockets destroy Israel? No? But Guriella warfare could deeply dent the Israeli war machine, couple that with escalation from other Arab countries, NOW THAT could cause destruction to Israel....this war was never in the best interest of Israel. But it's arrogance that got you there....
No, the 2000 rockets already launched and more won't destroy Israel... nothing will. But you can see that it's quite a pain and it's a heavy price to pay that no country in the world will be willing to go through. Any country would react and much more heavily, probably before the actual launching of the missles as well, during the very premature stage of arming.
The 2000 rockets that landed in Israel is because Israel decided to go all gung ho on Lebanon, not the other way around. Don't twist facts! Before that there were minimal skirmishes every now and then, and there are numerous of examples neighboring countries living in such tension. Israel's situation is not unique. And besides Israel is occupying Shiba'a, I could argue that anything Hizbullah was doing falls under patriotic resistance....Once again "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter", don't impose your labels on me!
I stick with Hizballah in this one. You call them terrorists ? If they were part of the goverment, would you still call them terrorists ? Would you fight for your country as well even if it involved not being as an official soldier after 25 years of war..? For god's sake, when is America gona call a ceasefire..
Nasrallah is saying in his speeches that he wants to liberate Jerusalem as well. Like some LEBANESE critics have said, later he'll say he wants to liberate Aunt Fatma's farm in Dallas. Stop making excuses. Hizballah attacked first with rockets and killed 8 soldiers and kidnapped 2. The border is internationally recognised. shabba is not even a part of lebanon and never was FFS. There are no excuses this time. One can't buy this stupid propaganda every time. There will always be something "occupied" wouldn't there, you know it too. Like I give a shit about har dov, if only Israel knew it would end somewhere.
There is no country living in such a situation. Look Cuba missle crisis episode and make the comparison.
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Israel is not losing. Hizballah is trying to get some dignity out of it, but they admit they'll withdraw to the litani river now.
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I'm originally from Israel (8 generations. more than any palestinian). original City - Zfat (being bombarded by hizballah btw).
There is no country living in such a situation. Look Cuba missle crisis episode and make the comparison.
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Israel is not losing. Hizballah is trying to get some dignity out of it, but they admit they'll withdraw to the litani river now.
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I'm originally from Israel (8 generations. more than any palestinian). original City - Zfat (being bombarded by hizballah btw).
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You mean Safad (If you want to steal a town, try to be more original in naming it)...
So, you're one of the 13 percent of jews in that town in 1948...
It's funny that you deny the other 87% of that town's inhabitants who were Palestinians...
And about the Israelis killed today, they were soldiers, not children...
I think you have to discriminate between children and soldiers....
So, you're one of the 13 percent of jews in that town in 1948...
It's funny that you deny the other 87% of that town's inhabitants who were Palestinians...
And about the Israelis killed today, they were soldiers, not children...
I think you have to discriminate between children and soldiers....
Oh god, after we established that violence will do nothing but breed more violence, galvanize terrorists, and expedite newer terrorist acts, here we go again in the blaming game, and you started it. Look at the bigger picture for a change will ya?
And I wonder what actually dictates what is Israeli land and what is not? I mean ya sure it is "promised land" yada yada yada, but does it also say in the Talmud or the book that "promised" that the Shabba is part of the "promised land"? I have seen you claim the "Golan" is part of the "promised land"...where and why are these parts promised? Was Shabaa or Golan part of the original Israeli kingdom?
Ya right all neighboring countries are living in absolute harmony its almost like utopia! Pakistan and India have orgies every fortnight, Cuba and America are secretly lesbian lovers, Spain and the Basque region are happily living together and expecting little "Pedro" in the next month or two....only Israel has problems with its neighbors and only Israel has the right to start a full fledge war because of two soldiers! Poor Israel, they need all our support and aid....
I must step in and say that I am so glad there are people like edpiero who base their decisions on facts. Like I said before Id love to see you on CNN in place of some pro-Zionist jerk. I just recently found out that the blueline that Hizbollah crossed is a fake term. Lebanon never agreed to that resolution so hizbollah was well within their rights. ( If someone had my people in jail for 28 years I would do the same)Secondly killing and destruction never justifies the kidnapping of the 2 soldiers. The IDF( Israeli Destruction Forces) should have kidnapped their soldiers if they had any brains. Dont even start with the hizbollah uses their people as shields. Thats an excuse to cover up that you have no regard for human life. I can read media. You guys are lsoing big time. When they dont mention anything on CNN thats a big sign. You guys wont even let people see pictures of the destruction. Its humiliation nation when it take israel a super power army 25 days and they still cant get in the south of Lebanon. I tell you right now, that the truth is those commando operations were a fake, they showed weapons that they got from hizbollah-that was fake. They havent been able to do ANYTHING. Like my signature says. Every DOG has his day.
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