NATO and Pakistan Clash at Border Post (4 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Sorry, but if you think that anybody who considers truthers to be nutjobs are government-loving stooges, then by your definition I am. But by that token, you've completely diluted the meaning of a government-loving stooge.

The ever-popular Hitler analogy is a joke because when everyone gets compared to Nazis, suddenly Hitler seems as tame as a single mom who buys organic vegetables. If you're not judicious about your definitions, your ideology collapses upon itself.

This has nothing to do with 9/11. I can respect folks who disagree with me in a civil manner. But you, on the other hand, waltz around diluting everything down to one recycled attack. That's exactly what folks in the establishment do when they don't like a piece of information, they attack the person instead of the idea. You're a conspiracy theorist if you question why jobless claims are revised upwards each week for 150 weeks in a row, or if you're upset that a President bypasses Congress to approve military actions against random nations. It's old, it's tiring, and deserves responses like the one I gave you.

As for this? The CIA has been caught funding terror groups in the past, including the Jundallah.

 

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[swag]

This has nothing to do with 9/11. I can respect folks who disagree with me in a civil manner. But you, on the other hand, waltz around diluting everything down to one recycled attack. That's exactly what folks in the establishment do when they don't like a piece of information, they attack the person instead of the idea. You're a conspiracy theorist if you question why jobless claims are revised upwards each week for 150 weeks in a row, or if you're upset that a President bypasses Congress to approve military actions against random nations. It's old, it's tiring, and deserves responses like the one I gave you.

As for this? The CIA has been caught funding terror groups in the past, including the Jundallah.

You're right about all of that. Except for the jobless claims part, because I never thought of standard issue corporate window dressing as a conspiracy before.

Shouldn't agreeing with all of that say something?

 

[Bjerknes]

You're right about all of that. Except for the jobless claims part, because I never thought of standard issue corporate window dressing as a conspiracy before.

Shouldn't agreeing with all of that say something?

Then you should understand where I'm coming from in all this. I mean, there are actual reports from DHS, like the MIAC Report, labeling people like me potential terrorists, or people who disagree with the Federal Reserve. It's much more than just internet banter that doesn't really matter.

 

[X Æ A-12]

People like you? You mean conspiracy theorists?

 

[swag]

Nice one, Kyle.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I find it odd that "skeptics" and people who write off everything the government or mainstream media says, calling those who believe it gullible, are on the other hand so willing to believe all the ridiculous theories they hear from random people over the internet.

 

[Trequartista]

I find it odd that "skeptics" and people who write off everything the government or mainstream media says are on the other hand so willing to believe all the ridiculous theories they hear from random people over the internet.

I agree, it is often rather ridiculous.

Especially Alex Jones. He is funny but what an idiot he is.

 

[Osman]

Lol if anything, Andy's description of Swag is way more fitting to Kyle, when he used to be Delpiero06 in particular, any current topic that came up (and not just "conspiracy theories") that even the slighest made the Us govt look bad, he used to refuse to argue it but still say in different ways the govt is right/can be trusted

 

[swag]

Skepticism is a lost art. We've replaced fact with suspicion. A friend of mine is a big time skeptic, and I've been going to more of the speaker events he's been arranging since he moved back to the Bay Area from London:
http://reason4reason.org/

What I like about what he does is he challenges what people think of as skepticism. Too many people think skepticism = atheistic evangelism, for example. And he lines up speakers to make them very uncomfortable.

 

[Bjerknes]

Lol if anything, Andy's description of Swag is way more fitting to Kyle, when he used to be Delpiero06 in particular, any current topic that came up (and not just "conspiracy theories") that even the slighest made the Us govt look bad, he used to refuse to argue it but still say in different ways the govt is right/can be trusted

Kyle was dumber than a sack of bricks a couple years ago. The whole Georgia thing was one of the most embarrassing American moments on the forum.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Lol if anything, Andy's description of Swag is way more fitting to Kyle, when he used to be Delpiero06 in particular, any current topic that came up (and not just "conspiracy theories") that even the slighest made the Us govt look bad, he used to refuse to argue it but still say in different ways the govt is right/can be trusted

What a load of bullshit. I've never defended the US government blindly.

I just got labeled for that because I disagreed with the general mindset about some hidden evil agenda being behind everything the American govt. does. Andy just went off on me and started claiming I said I ton of shit that I never did.

 

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Nothing good will come from this.

 

[Bjerknes]

What a load of bullshit. I've never defended the US government blindly.

Osman is right. You did.

 

[Osman]

What a load of bullshit. I've never defended the US government blindly.

I just got labeled for that because I disagreed with the general mindset about some hidden evil agenda being behind everything the American govt. does. Andy just went off on me and started claiming I said I ton of shit that I never did.

Lol not blindly defending all the time (that is Vinman whenver he posted ), but too trusting and allways only making evasive inputs like surely they wouldnt do that, and implying they are right/would know better, in typical foreign affairs fuck ups, while generally avoiding to engage in ze discussion of the actual topics (and no I'm talking about some innocent geographical brainfart, but international political topics).

 

[Osman]

Skepticism is a lost art. We've replaced fact with suspicion. A friend of mine is a big time skeptic, and I've been going to more of the speaker events he's been arranging since he moved back to the Bay Area from London:
http://reason4reason.org/

What I like about what he does is he challenges what people think of as skepticism. Too many people think skepticism = atheistic evangelism, for example. And he lines up speakers to make them very uncomfortable.

Quite interesting site in the few articles I read, but though intriguing subject, its odds there is a whole movement for this? Are people that bored?

 

[Bjerknes]

Vinni is only trusting when it comes to Republicans and war. But he should be a big fan of Obama considering he supposedly killed Bin Laden and bypassed CONgress to use force against Libya.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Osman is right. You did.

Think whatever you want.

Lol not blindly following (that is Vinman ), but too trusting and allways only making inputs like surely they wouldnt do that, and implying they are right/would know better, in typical foreign affairs fuck ups, while generally avoiding to engage in ze discussion of the actual topics (and no I'm talking about some innocent geographical brainfart, but international political topics).

What a joke, dude. There are plenty of members here who do exactly that but from the opposite side and I only got shit for it because I was taking the pro-America stance which isn't as "popular" here as criticizing everything America does.

You guys tried to make me out to be some gun-toting, flagworshipping nut which was ridiculous.

 

[swag]

Quite interesting site in the few articles I read, but though intriguing subject, its odds there is a whole movement for this? Are people that bored?

It can be dry as toast. But there is a discipline to questioning what you see, but not jumping to conclusions until you have reasonable data. Without that, we have everything from Jenny McCarthy blaming immunizations for autism like she's some frigging science researcher instead of a former Playboy model to people denying that the earth's climate is changing.

The scientific method isn't infallible, but it's one of the better tools our society has to create reproducible results.

 

[Osman]

Indeed thats true. And yeah people are as much sheep as they are weirdoes who are full of themselves to think every little conclusion they pull out of their ass is a fact.

 

[Trequartista]

What do you guys think will happen between the USA and Pakistan?

Surely, they still need Pakistan's friendship to have a land access to Afghanistan since they are still into that war. However, I see the USA cutting the financial help they provide to Pakistan as soon as they leave Afghanistan if their relations don't improve.