"Myth and reality" (1 Viewer)

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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#1
It's from goal.com. Seems like random mumbling mostly but there are some entertaining points here surely. :D

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Talking Points: Myth & Reality
4/10/2005 12:57:00 PM
Iconoclast Fonz Thomas exposes what he believes to be some popular soccer myths by presenting his view of the reality behind them…
MYTH: BECKHAM IS A GREAT PLAYER

REALITY: Beckham is a mediocre player who has been all hyped up by the English media to the extent of legendhood. Does that mean that he is not good? No. He is pretty good but his talent goes unnoticed at clubs like Manchester United and Real Madrid who are so weak in the air. I believe that the true destination for Beckham as of today is Chelsea, as they have Drogba, Terry and Huth who are all good in the air, and his crosses can prove to be more than a handful. But without a shadow of doubt you will be able to find at least half a dozen players of Beckham’s calibre selling water melons in Brazil and another half a dozen driving trucks in France. :D


MYTH: ROONEY IS A GREAT PLAYER

REALITY: He is definitely good but he has a long way to go before he can be called great. He comes across as a carefree athlete just enjoying his football irrespective of whether the opposition is WBA or Milan. But the true challenge will come when he realises that the aspirations and hopes of a quarter of a billion English fans are firmly and squarely on his shoulders. That is precisely what happened to Ronaldo at France 1998. He just caved in under the pressure. Frankly, if England have to win the World Cup, then Rooney and Lampard have to score, and score plenty. Even Owen could score but he is more of a bits and pieces player and he will get muscled out by the huge defenders that most teams possess.


MYTH: RAUL IS A GREAT PLAYER

REALITY: Everything said and done, there was a time not long ago when he was amazing. But football has since moved on and Raul has stayed put, being more of a liability than an asset at Real Madrid. Though I have admired him for long the final nail in the coffin was when Camacho had to leave for sidelining Raul. But is it fair to blame Raul if the Real fans want to see him play each match irrespective of how woeful he is? Alternately Raul could have come out with a press statement that he was willing to be sidelined as long as Owen was performing better than him. That would have pacified the Raul fans. But instead he comes out with a statement that he is willing to leave Real for the benefit of the club. A smart soccer fan will see through the shrewdness of the statement but a nincompoop fan will be flattered by his humility and start drawing parallels between him and the Pope. Last I heard efforts to have Raul canonised as soon as he dies was gaining momentum in the Raul quarters of Spain.


MYTH : ENGLAND WILL WIN THE WORLD CUP

REALITY: Realistically they have more of a chance of winning it this time around than at any time in the last 50 years. But does that mean that they go in as firm favorites? No. But they are definitely the second best :wth: provided most of their players manage to stay fit. The problem with England is the same as the problem with Arsenal - the second string players are not the same class. Except for Sol Campbell and John Terry and to a certain extent Ashley Cole and Wayne Bridge, none of the other players are replaceable. This is not the case with Brazil. You can always replace a Ronaldo with Adriano, and no one would notice the difference. Also England have to find a striking partner for Rooney. Owen is just not good enough. He is only as good as that one goal against Argentina in the WC. But the Owen fans will now argue that he has scored more goals than Ronaldo at Real. But anyone who understands his soccer can see that on most occasions Ronaldo takes at least two defenders with him which leaves Owen in the open to score. He is a good finisher though, maybe even better than Ronaldo on current form. But he does not create any chances on his own, which is a major flaw in his game.


MYTH: ITALY CAN WIN THE WORLD CUP

REALITY: Though they are a good, arguably the best, defensive side, they do not have the attacking flair to score goals. There is an absolute dearth of forwards coming out of Italy. Germany has the same problem, but because of their lenient immigration laws every now and then a naturalized German (Klose, Kuranyi, etc) comes forward. But the same cannot be said about Italy. The attacking flair seems to have ended with Baggio. All the Italian fans can sit and rave and rant about Vieri and Del Piero and Totti but they are just good enough for goals against Latvia and Estonia. If you don’t concede you cannot lose, and Buffon is definitely good enough to sway all penalty kicks in their favour. But the big question is “can they score, even from the penalty spot?”
 

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Henry

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Sep 30, 2003
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#2
that's an interesting article....I liked the part "But without a shadow of doubt you will be able to find at least half a dozen players of Beckham’s calibre selling water melons in Brazil and another half a dozen driving trucks in France." :LOL::LOL::LOL:classic! I think that the writer is wrong about Italy though
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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#7
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I fail to see how England is any better than Italy, Spain, or Argentina.
Andy, that's because you lack the requisite delusional Englishman mind. ;)
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
6,740
#9
nothing new in there, I guess we discussed the Becks, Rooney, Raul and england issues.

If he had started about C. Ronaldo, I would swear this guy is a forum regular.

the truck driver thing is worth being a signature
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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#10
++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
It's from goal.com. Seems like random mumbling mostly but there are some entertaining points here surely. :D

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Talking Points: Myth & Reality
4/10/2005 12:57:00 PM
Iconoclast Fonz Thomas exposes what he believes to be some popular soccer myths by presenting his view of the reality behind them…
MYTH: BECKHAM IS A GREAT PLAYER

REALITY: Beckham is a mediocre player who has been all hyped up by the English media to the extent of legendhood. Does that mean that he is not good? No. He is pretty good but his talent goes unnoticed at clubs like Manchester United and Real Madrid who are so weak in the air. I believe that the true destination for Beckham as of today is Chelsea, as they have Drogba, Terry and Huth who are all good in the air, and his crosses can prove to be more than a handful. But without a shadow of doubt you will be able to find at least half a dozen players of Beckham’s calibre selling water melons in Brazil and another half a dozen driving trucks in France. :D
Is this not the biggest load of c**p ever heard? "He is pretty good but his talent goes unnoticed at clubs like Manchester United who are so weak in the air"...Right, I mean we never had players like Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, Teddy Sheringham, Ole Solskjaer and van Nistelrooy who we're supreme headers of the ball...its only since Becks has gone we no-longer play the way of getting as many balls into the box...

MYTH: ITALY CAN WIN THE WORLD CUP

REALITY: Though they are a good, arguably the best, defensive side, they do not have the attacking flair to score goals. There is an absolute dearth of forwards coming out of Italy. Germany has the same problem, but because of their lenient immigration laws every now and then a naturalized German (Klose, Kuranyi, etc) comes forward. But the same cannot be said about Italy. The attacking flair seems to have ended with Baggio. All the Italian fans can sit and rave and rant about Vieri and Del Piero and Totti but they are just good enough for goals against Latvia and Estonia. If you don’t concede you cannot lose, and Buffon is definitely good enough to sway all penalty kicks in their favour. But the big question is “can they score, even from the penalty spot?”
Riiiiight...this comment completely ruins this guy credability...Gilardino, Totti, Montella, Cassano...some of the most talented players in the world, and of course there are young player who might or might not become world class...Carricolo (sp?) and Pazzini for example...The fact is we have never had coaches good enough to exploit that, Trap was good, but he was a fool everytime there was a scare in our box, we'd revert to our "shell", going defensive and that why we'd never win a world cup, but Lippi seems to be going the right way, the fact of the matter is, Italy WILL NEVER WIN a World Cup again unless we use the QUALITY of our forwards...
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
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#12
same type of Goal.com opinions...

Chronicles Of An Overrated Galactico
4/5/2005 3:38:00 AM
I hate to be a person that piles on in a situation that does not favour an individual, but my belief is coming to fruition, writes Juan Arango. Raúl Gonzalez Blanco is not the best player in Spain, and can be considered the most overrated player in football history…
‘Babystar’, ‘pichichi’, ‘idol’, wow what a difference a few years of not succeeding make. The Spanish press is calling for his head and the chants are getting to him. Maybe he’s slumping? Maybe he is on his way down? Hey, here’s a concept, what about him not being all that he was hyped up to be. The jury is still out on him outside of Spanish borders (although Raúl is not even liked in certain areas of Spain, Catalunya for starters.). How can a player be one of the top scorers in Champions League history, all-time leader in his respective national team, two-time Pichichi in La Liga, multiple Champions League winner – and yet be the most overrated player in the football world? Well that is exactly it. Raúl is the most overrated footballer in the world, although his present form has made detractors out of some of the most unconditional of fans. As good as Raúl has been for Spanish football, the jury is still out on him throughout the rest of Europe. Some people might have a great resume, but with absolutely nothing won at the National Team level, you have to start questioning him.

What do Peja Mijatovic, Clarence Seedorf, Fernando Hierro, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo, Ronaldo, Guti, Michael Owen, Steve McManaman, Nicola Anelka, Roberto Carlos, Fernando Redondo, (hold on let me catch my breath), Christian Panucci, Claude Makelele, Fernando Morientes - would you like me to keep going? – have in common? Well, they are the players that did all the work for Raúl to achieve his faux fame. My point is that if superior talent surrounds a player, how can he NOT score?

If a player faces the marking that Raúl did (also consider the defense in La Liga in comparison to other leagues) he has to be somewhat successful. This is true especially now, where he is in a situation where he does not take up the marking that players like Ronaldo and Michael Owen do. Raúl, on his best day, would only be able to carry Ronaldo’s bag into the stadium.

But realize this; his presence is all the more telling of the team’s lack of leadership. He was at his most successful when he played with Fernando Hierro and Claude Makelele. Real Madrid’s true leaders, which is why they are trophy-less since these two players were let go by the Merengue brass. These two brought stability and grit, two intangibles that are desperately needed in order to be successful. These intangibles that Raúl does not have. When they left, he no longer was the poacher that he once was. Enter Ronaldo… further back he had to play and it started to affect his goal scoring totals.

At the national team level, he is all the more insignificant. There is no way that he should even be playing. Luis Aragones finally realized this and benched him in favor of an inspired Ivan de la Peña prior to the game against Serbia and Montenegro. When he did step on to the pitch, he showed energy, but was not able to complement a Fernando Torres playing the point. The whole point to what I am saying is that he excels when the spotlight is not on him and solely him. His spine acquires the firmness of a jellyfish in the big games.

Look, I like the guy, he is the most emblematic player in Spain. For morale he is a good thing, but emblematizing a person will not win you a game. How can the “best” player on your national team be the sixth or even seventh best player on his own club team (I am being kind to David Beckham, but that is another topic I will prod in the future)? As a matter of fact, forget what I just said. Raúl is the third or fourth best striker on his team… even on his best day.

Many of his qualities include his goal scoring knack and dribbling, but his deficiencies are starting to come to the forefront because of his slump for over the past year and change.

Hey I admire the fact that he is the all time leading scorer in Spanish National Team history, but hey, having a monstrous paternity against the Faroe Islands (the team he has scored most against at the national team level with 8). In qualifiers and friendlies (just ask Germany), he is deadly. But, ladies and gentlemen, in reality he is not a player I would want in a big game. What goal is the most memorable one of his in a big game? Probably, Juventus in 1998? What was Raúl’s most meaningful goal at the national team level? What about the ones he scored against Germany and Ireland? Well, those were friendlies. Other than that, there is nothing to show for his alleged greatness. He did score against France (actually Gaizka Mendieta scored, Raúl missed the chance to tie the game… can you say choke). In World Cup 2002, injury did not help him perform, but he would not have made a big difference in the grand scheme of things for La Furia in Korea. Even this year, the stakes were high in the Champions League he faded away just like the rest of his team, allowing a wounded Vecchia Signora to move on to the next round. After that, there is nothing that will back him up. All I can tell you is that Michael Owen has taken his spot. If this season’s performance does not prove it, based on the goals scored and minutes played, then Florentino Perez, Arrigo Sacchi and Vanderlei Luxemburgo are all as myopic as the most rabid of Madrid fans.


Juan Arango
You can contact him at [email protected]. You can also listen to him on International Sport Spotlight every Saturday from noon- 1pm EDT or online at www.wvum.org.
 
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Martin

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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    Oh what bull. It's exactly what people were saying about Inzaghi, he has no ability, there's no way he couldn't score the easy goals that he does, I could do just as well blahblah.
     

    jaecole

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    So your telling me Beckham and Rooney arent the greatest players in the world and we arent gonna win the World Cup this year?

    Bummer :D
     

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