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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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who would have thought, matt gaetz wouldn't make this administration worse. looks like these are all just shit people, simple as that.


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just saying this dude (gorka) is a hungarian immigrant

 

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s4tch

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Trump’s tariff policy has nothing to do with trade

Trump’s tariff policy has nothing to do with trade
The president is using economic warfare to compel corporate loyalty
Chris Murphy

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The writer is the junior US senator for Connecticut

Economists and pundits have spent the last two weeks frantically trying to decode what President Donald Trump’s ultimate aim is with tariffs. Last week’s spectacular flip-flop, in which he paused the majority of them for 90 days, came after the White House had spent days insisting the tariffs were not up for negotiation but were instead a long-term strategy to help revitalise the US industrial base and bring back jobs. However, there is a simple reason that Trump’s shortlived tariffs make little economic sense: they are not designed as economic policy but as a means to compel loyalty to the president.

When combined with smart domestic industrial policy, tariffs can help to protect American jobs and goods. But these chaotically designed blanket global tariffs are not accomplishing anything other than threatening to send prices skyrocketing and destabilising the global economy. This makes sense because Trump’s goal seems to be to impose economic chaos, requiring the leads of industry to come running to him to plead for relief.

According to reports, Trump has acknowledged that he does not mind if his policies cause a recession, so long as they do not lead to a depression. He must not remember the nearly 9mn jobs lost during the Great Recession of 2008 and the 10mn Americans who lost their homes to foreclosure. But these tariffs were never really about helping working people, bringing jobs back to the US or fixing our broken global trading system. The 90-day pause is proof of that.

How many new manufacturing plants or jobs are being created to justify jeopardising Americans’ retirement plans? Which are the 75 countries Trump is negotiating with? Have they offered terms that would serve American workers and not just special interests? Or are these tariffs just about putting US companies in a chokehold until they surrender?

Take Apple, for example. Commerce secretary Howard Lutnick fantasised about an “army of millions and millions of human beings screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones” that was “going to come to America”. A few days later, Apple was granted an exemption from Trump’s 145 per cent reciprocal tariff on smartphones, laptop computers, hard drives, computer processors, servers and memory chips from China. Tim Cook, who personally donated $1mn to Trump’s inaugural committee, has stayed in the president’s good graces. Lutnick later clarified that Apple was exempt from the “reciprocal” tariffs but not the soon-to-be-announced tariffs on semiconductors, guaranteeing that Apple will continue to lobby the administration.

If you understand Trump’s actions as the use of executive power to bully into complicity the institutions that would otherwise stop a slide towards autocracy, then it is easy to see how tariffs fit into the plan. Some may not want to believe it, but Trump appears to be undertaking a systematic campaign to destroy any institution that might stand in his way.

He has already attacked three key pillars of American democracy. He has threatened to cut off federal funding to universities, the centres of both academic research and youth protest; he is attacking top law firms by cutting them off from government contracts and stripping their lawyers of security clearances; and he is trying to silence journalists by denying them access to government facilities unless they use language preapproved by the White House.

Now he is using tariffs to force companies and industries to come to the White House to beg for relief. Each company or industry will presumably be forced to make concessions in exchange for this relief. During the pause, we can expect to see one chief executive after another make the case for their company to be exempted from the tariffs. Maybe the concession is financial in nature, but more likely it is political. Most of these deals will be secret to the public.

Once Trump has most law firms, universities, news organisations and private companies under his thumb, it will become almost impossible for any form of opposition to gain traction. His weaponised Department of Justice can arrest protesters and there will be fewer lawyers to defend them. University research and academic discussion of ideas that run counter to the Trump ideology will be threatened. Private companies will not object as the rule of law collapses. This is not some innovative new strategy — it is the global playbook for democratically elected leaders who want to stay in power forever.

Switching tariffs on and off, and granting exemptions for your political allies, is not about trade policy. It is about bringing American industry to heel. Public outrage will be much more likely to stop Trump’s attempt to destroy democracy in its tracks if everyone can see plainly the plan he is trying to hide.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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who would have thought, matt gaetz wouldn't make this administration worse. looks like these are all just shit people, simple as that.

This is outrageous.

The administration themselves have not disputed his deportation was a mistake. They literally admitted in court he should never have been deported. You cannot then backtrack and say his family are safer, because of crimes you specifally said he didn't commit.

American democracy is dead and it will take decades to recover from this.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,780
This is outrageous.

The administration themselves have not disputed his deportation was a mistake. They literally admitted in court he should never have been deported. You cannot then backtrack and say his family are safer, because of crimes you specifally said he didn't commit.

American democracy is dead and it will take decades to recover from this.
It's never going to recover.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,907
who would have thought, matt gaetz wouldn't make this administration worse. looks like these are all just shit people, simple as that.


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just saying this dude (gorka) is a hungarian immigrant

100% fascism. 100% Nazis. There's no other way to describe them. All the troops that have ever died for the country have died for literally nothing.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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no worries folks, they'll know by september what causes autism. maybe they know it already but it takes a few months to fabricate the evidence

this administration is a complete shitshow. clowns, felons, russian assets and opportunists taking over the world. nothing to see here, we spend too much time here

Only good things can come from this.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
Termination? He's talking about his job, right?
Well, it's not like his family would have any sort of recourse if they just decide to kill him. Courts can't punish Trump.

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100% fascism. 100% Nazis. There's no other way to describe them. All the troops that have ever died for the country have died for literally nothing.
Maybe.

Or maybe this was always part of the American people and this is simply who you are.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,907
Maybe.

Or maybe this was always part of the American people and this is simply who you are.
Let's rephrase this, shall we. Many of us probably had grandfathers who did or would have killed a bunch of Nazis back in the day. So no, we haven't always been Nazis. Even the "Christians" back then didn't go to such lengths trying to Nazify Murica.

But now Christians are those leading the charge. All of this wouldn't have been possible without them, including their Project 2025 bullshit, or the fake shot to the ear as if Gawd protected the fat fuck. People can hate Trump all they want, but it's the mentally ill sky daddy lovers who made this all possible.
 
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100% fascism. 100% Nazis. There's no other way to describe them. All the troops that have ever died for the country have died for literally nothing.
As someone who lives in a place that lost its historical value due to nazi bombing, having family members who lived under the German occupation, visited several concentration camps, named my youngest son after my wife’s grandpa who barely survived the hungerwinter, I have to say that your total misusage of the word nazi is very offensive to the people who suffered under real nazism. About two weeks ago I was at the funeral of a family member of my wife who was born before the war and went to jail because as a Christian he believed that war was against his believes, so he refused to join the army as a conscript and did two years behind bars, as did my wife’s grandfather.

Bad word to continuously misuse. Nazi’s killed millions of people. If the US is nazi now you were it already when you destabilised the whole Middle-East with millions of deaths as a consequence.

Trump is bad in many ways but this isn’t nazism.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
As someone who lives in a place that lost its historical value due to nazi bombing, having family members who lived under the German occupation, visited several concentration camps, named my youngest son after my wife’s grandpa who barely survived the hungerwinter, I have to say that your total misusage of the word nazi is very offensive to the people who suffered under real nazism. About two weeks ago I was at the funeral of a family member of my wife who was born before the war and went to jail because as a Christian he believed that war was against his believes, so he refused to join the army as a conscript and did two years behind bars, as did my wife’s grandfather.

Bad word to continuously misuse. Nazi’s killed millions of people. If the US is nazi now you were it already when you destabilised the whole Middle-East with millions of deaths as a consequence.

Trump is bad in many ways but this isn’t nazism.
Trump is endorsed by literal nazi party in USA.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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checks out for me.

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tell me with a straight face that this is not an evil person and that he doesn't want to hurt people. he's a nazi by definition. not a mass murderer (yet) but enables and actively helps two mass murderers. change my mind.

 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,907
As someone who lives in a place that lost its historical value due to nazi bombing, having family members who lived under the German occupation, visited several concentration camps, named my youngest son after my wife’s grandpa who barely survived the hungerwinter, I have to say that your total misusage of the word nazi is very offensive to the people who suffered under real nazism. About two weeks ago I was at the funeral of a family member of my wife who was born before the war and went to jail because as a Christian he believed that war was against his believes, so he refused to join the army as a conscript and did two years behind bars, as did my wife’s grandfather.

Bad word to continuously misuse. Nazi’s killed millions of people. If the US is nazi now you were it already when you destabilised the whole Middle-East with millions of deaths as a consequence.

Trump is bad in many ways but this isn’t nazism.
I'm sorry for your perceived losses. Of course, I'm not on the side of any Nazis, so whether the Nazi is German or Murican, it doesn't matter to me. If Elon Musk Nazi salutes, or some rednecks fly the Swastika in the US, it doesn't matter. I hate them all.

You need to realize that fascist takeovers don't happen overnight, despite the fact this one has been relatively quick. You may not like how I implicate Christians as a huge part of the problem, but they are. That's the MAGA base. I used to be indoctrinated into this silly sky daddy cult as a child. Trump couldn't have been elected without that base of low IQ deranged people stuck in their world view that everyone has to be exactly like them. I assume you're a Christian, and if so, I feel sorry for you, considering you're unable to decipher reality from fiction. I'll chalk that up as the reasoning behind your above post.

This is a simple AI prompt that articulates reality. Anyone can do their own research using whatever AI tools, even though this is already known. I will continue calling these people Nazis, especially since @s4tch clearly explained the various definitions. But I appreciate the input nonetheless.

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And of course he's sending Murican citizens to camps in ES without due process. AI failed to capture that important detail.

So yeah, they're Nazis bro.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
As someone who lives in a place that lost its historical value due to nazi bombing, having family members who lived under the German occupation, visited several concentration camps, named my youngest son after my wife’s grandpa who barely survived the hungerwinter, I have to say that your total misusage of the word nazi is very offensive to the people who suffered under real nazism. About two weeks ago I was at the funeral of a family member of my wife who was born before the war and went to jail because as a Christian he believed that war was against his believes, so he refused to join the army as a conscript and did two years behind bars, as did my wife’s grandfather.

Bad word to continuously misuse. Nazi’s killed millions of people. If the US is nazi now you were it already when you destabilised the whole Middle-East with millions of deaths as a consequence.

Trump is bad in many ways but this isn’t nazism.
It's offensive that you know so little about nazism.

The Nazis among other things:

- illegally sent people to foreign concentration camps;
- ignored court orders;
- set up new government agencies outside the normal state with obscure tasks and powers;
- concentrated power into one kinglike figure.

Trump and his henchmen are playing out the nazi playbook in front of your eyes.

If you care so much about the past, maybe you should try to prevent new tragedies.

Instead you support Trump.

I have not forgotten your earlier posts.

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but it's her job to speak up for the american people. why are americans so spineless
They are weak and spiteful. They need civil revolt to get out of this mess, but it will not happen.
 
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