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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
trump reversed tarrifs on computers and cell phones lol

told you he would not handle pressure from the tech companies. no way was apple, microsoft and nintendo going to let him fuck around
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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Nothing wrong about what he says, 5000 years of history and China have survived through all the ups and downs of history. But the economy is completely different today. The US has a long arm over all global markets. The value of the currency and US's policies have a direct impact on all industries in the world. Just look at the economic situation in Germany. Since the sanctions and negative policies of America on China have directly affected the German industry and economy, Germany imports raw materials from China. Even though China has the largest labor force and vast industry with access to global markets, it is inevitable that they will be financially disadvantaged due to US policies.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
In what way? It’s fake nationalist horseshit. Of course they care about US market and they should.
chinese citizens are more likely to withstand hardship than american ones. due to going through hardships and also way CCP rules over.

americans cry if the drive thru line takes longer than few mins. they lost their minds at thought of wearing a mask to protect against getting sick.

they won't handle a decrease in quality of life due to these sanctions like chinese would. when it comes to who will cave under pressure first i put fat americans retards over chinese people.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,521
In what way? It’s fake nationalist horseshit. Of course they care about US market and they should.
it's just talk indeed, these two countries/markets mutually need each other. they are trading almost ~500bn per year in both directions, that cannot be ignored

trump chose violence instead of talk, so he gets violence in return

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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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In what way? It’s fake nationalist horseshit. Of course they care about US market and they should.
:tup:

Also, keep in mind this: https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/china-deflation/

China is absolutely in need of coming to some sort of agreement with the US.

This isn’t me agreeing with Trump or supporting his idiotic policies. They could absolutely wreck the US economy near term, but they will also wreck China, with their economy already in much worse shape and still quite dependent on exports to America.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
:tup:

Also, keep in mind this: https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/china-deflation/

China is absolutely in need of coming to some sort of agreement with the US.

This isn’t me agreeing with Trump or supporting his idiotic policies. They could absolutely wreck the US economy near term, but they will also wreck China, with their economy already in much worse shape and still quite dependent on exports to America.
The assumption here is trump/maga will hold under pressure when china will fold, but china doesn’t need to fold. They just need to wait a few days or months and trump will fold. See exemption to phone and computer chips that came now when trump said he won’t fold just 3 days ago.

I assume Walmart, target and other stores will out pressure soon to make him fold .
 

Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
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chinese citizens are more likely to withstand hardship than american ones. due to going through hardships and also way CCP rules over.

americans cry if the drive thru line takes longer than few mins. they lost their minds at thought of wearing a mask to protect against getting sick.

they won't handle a decrease in quality of life due to these sanctions like chinese would. when it comes to who will cave under pressure first i put fat americans retards over chinese people.
It has nothing to do with BMI. Americans vote in elections and Chinese don’t. That’s why China is inherently more resistant to pressure.
However, the people who usually talk tough, like the guy in the video, typically don’t share any of this burden. Also, China existed for 5000 years is a pretty funny statement, since those 5000 years have not been without near destruction disasters. As psychopathic as Trump is, the goal here is not to annihilate China.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,904
These are the type of people we need.

https://x.com/kerridwinr/status/1911230786617086349?s=46&t=44zFspkwtn4Oth1i9vk6Xg

i suspect i'm seeing an average maga economist free thinker mastermind here?

I couldn’t imagine anything worse than this. It’s almost as if the people running the country now are worse than Osama Bin Laden. Even after 9/11 our currency wasn’t destroyed, we were still the world reserve currency, and came back relatively quickly. These people want to suicide bomb our economy and are way bigger terrorists than Al Qaeda. They should be treated as such.

And that’s not even hyperbole. If these freaks get what they want, our standard of living is destroyed overnight, and we get a Weimar situation except we don’t produce anything at all. I think that’s what some of these Christian Nationalists want though.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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:tup:

Also, keep in mind this: https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/china-deflation/

China is absolutely in need of coming to some sort of agreement with the US.

This isn’t me agreeing with Trump or supporting his idiotic policies. They could absolutely wreck the US economy near term, but they will also wreck China, with their economy already in much worse shape and still quite dependent on exports to America.
The bigger problem for the US is not that China and the EU will be looking for business deals. They will eventually, probably as soon as Trump caves entirely.

But deal or no deal, they will divert away from the US market in the coming years and won't be caught in this position again.

The US is large, sure. But you could survive without if need be.

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Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
18,309
it's just talk indeed, these two countries/markets mutually need each other. they are trading almost ~500bn per year in both directions, that cannot be ignored

trump chose violence instead of talk, so he gets violence in return

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I can't think positive about this image!
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,521
win after win after win - provided the endgame is to turn the us into a 3rd world shithole

this article couldn't have been written before the 20th january. the orange idiot and his cult is killing everything this country used to mean in the post ww2 era

 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,749
unskilled workers might be some competition for vietnam or cambodia. china is at an other level though

He's right. China isn't the lowest cost manufacturing base by a longshot now. It's this mentality that has so many Americans thinking Chinese EVs are crap when they are way, way ahead of anything domestic, let alone globally. It's basically Wright's Law on steroids.

And just look at Musk's xAI project. A third of the employees are of Chinese origin.

And in today's "Make It Make Sense" appeal:

https://bsky.app/profile/josephpolitano.bsky.social/post/3lmmsx2yotk2c

In what way? It’s fake nationalist horseshit. Of course they care about US market and they should.
They do care, and it is fake nationalist crap. However, the timelines are different. A true dictator like Xi can think in terms of generations, and China does for the most part. America typically thinks in terms of the next election and quarterly earnings, which is a really ruinous way to strategically grow an empire.

i suspect i'm seeing an average maga economist free thinker mastermind here?

Trump knows a thing or two about defaulting on debts. But usually it involves a bankruptcy court.

Which takes me back to this tweet joke I posted yesterday:
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/european-affairs.45249/page-31#post-6889811

The U.S. defaults on its outsized debts and basically there will be no more new money flow going in because nobody will expect to get it back. Think: bye bye Trump tax cuts, Medicare, and Social Security to remain solvent with a net positive national cash flow from day 1.

It would make China's Evergrande real estate default look like a sneeze.
 
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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,521
so i guess that was the plan all along and it's pure brilliance, art of the deal, right?



what's also ridiculous, besides the point that guy @swag quoted on bluesky makes, is that you can import complete assembled smartphones without tariffs, but if you wanted to import the parts and assemble on murican soil, then the tariffs would hit parts and raw materials. that's how you encourage local production, right? or is it that apple wouldn't move production to the us anyway, so it makes sense to do a favor to tim cook who is a trump donor?

i still fail to see any solid strategy here.
 

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