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X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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lol

thx anyway, i guess you tried your best
women are 30% of congress, 30% of the senate, 10mil more women vote in federal elections than men

like i said, dem strategist level determination to learn nothing at all from this loss lol

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His post makes perfect sense.


Two things can be true at once.

US are not very likely to elect female for president.


And Kamala was a quite unpopular forced upon the masses centrist dem establishment choice. It's true she wouldn't survived a primary as main candidate.
I didn't even mention how she's stuck in the unfortunate position of being an incumbent to an administration that is party to an active genocide and seems to be creeping towards a war with Iran.

Not saying Newsom would do any better on foreign policy but at least if you run him he doesn't have that stain on him, he was not a part of the biden admin and it seems pretty clear this was not at all an election in which you wanted to be the incumbent.
 

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s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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His post makes perfect sense.


Two things can be true at once.

US are not very likely to elect female for president.


And Kamala was a quite unpopular forced upon the masses centrist dem establishment choice. It's true she wouldn't survived a primary as main candidate.
i didn't say he was wrong, it's the condescending nature of his posts which is laughable

thank you, that was my point

harris was a weak candidate, we discussed that many times. and even kyle couldn't come up with viable female alternatives. a few others mentioned gabbard previously, maybe she could have had a better chance

what i'm saying is that a dude is much more likely to win. look at trump, he's literally the worst candidate ever: old, petty and overall terrible character, convicted, putin simp, best buddy of netanjahu, had a bad 4 years already behind him, terrible policy, unrealistic or harmful promises, etc. we all know him. okay, maybe i don't because i'm not murican. yet he won

women are 30% of congress, 30% of the senate, 10mil more women vote in federal elections than men
yet still unlikely that a woman gets elected president ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

X Æ A-12

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i didn't say he was wrong, it's the condescending nature of his posts which is laughable

thank you, that was my point

harris was a weak candidate, we discussed that many times. and even kyle couldn't come up with viable female alternatives. a few others mentioned gabbard previously, maybe she could have had a better chance

Amy klobuchar? gretchen whitmer? even elizabeth warren can at least speak.

and my post wasn't intended to be condescending but it seems clear you don't realize how different the portrayal in American media is vs. how the public here actually feels or ever felt about Kamala Harris.

Its remarkable that the Dems are somehow able to run someone so bad they could actually lose to Trump and if your only takeaway from that is sexism than I don't know what to tell you.

It reminds me of a few days ago when some of the Euros here thought that Puerto Rican joke Tony Hinchcliffe made would have any effect on the election lol then trump won the hispanic male vote.

yet still unlikely that a woman gets elected president ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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Its remarkable that the Dems are somehow able to run someone so bad they could actually lose to Trump and if your only takeaway from that is sexism than I don't know what to tell you.
i've said many times that disinformation and educational level of voters play a huge part in the elections. dems must be able to play just as dirty as the republican campaign was. elon probably won the elections for trump via twitter, regardless of how bad of a candidate harris was. they would have lost with a non senile biden too this time with the same campaign. dems also need to address the illegal immigration more effectively. i also said that i don't think the attitude towards israel played any role in the outcome: trump doubled down and said that netanjahu should be tougher; adelson as a main donor also speaks for itself. it's clear too that abortion isn't a strong enough campaign message. etc

i don't like harris either and i agree that she's not a remarkable character. still, she could have done a similar job to biden. i also think that a dude like trump is automatically worse than anyone available. i still realize that there are demographics you can't convince with a woman. those who you mentioned would have easily lost against trump. and yes, i do believe this is an important takeaway that can't be ignored. a good chunk of voters is sexist, it is what it is
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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i've said many times that disinformation and educational level of voters play a huge part in the elections. dems must be able to play just as dirty as the republican campaign was. elon probably won the elections for trump via twitter, regardless of how bad of a candidate harris was. they would have lost with a non senile biden too this time with the same campaign. dems also need to address the illegal immigration more effectively. i also said that i don't think the attitude towards israel played any role in the outcome: trump doubled down and said that netanjahu should be tougher; adelson as a main donor also speaks for itself. it's clear too that abortion isn't a strong enough campaign message. etc

i don't like harris either and i agree that she's not a remarkable character. still, she could have done a similar job to biden. i also think that a dude like trump is automatically worse than anyone available. i still realize that there are demographics you can't convince with a woman. those who you mentioned would have easily lost against trump. and yes, i do believe this is an important takeaway that can't be ignored. a good chunk of voters is sexist, it is what it is
Both of these points are linked, and I think are wrong. I can't find a source that includes the total vote count AND the percentage of total votes counted other than Wikipedia, but right now with 94% of the votes counted it looks like Trump is going to end up with pretty much as many votes as the last election (he's down by about 1 million), so I wouldn't say Elon won him any new voters. On the otherhand, Kamala is down about 12 million (81 vs 69) compared to Biden last election. A lot of people that were there last time didn't come out, and one of the reasons is without a doubt Israel. Not that the situation there isn't going to get worse, but still.
 

Bjerknes

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I had dinner tonight with a friend who was a former Bernie voter along with his usually Republican wife. She voted for Trump because she was tired of being called a racist, while he didn’t vote at all. This was the first time he didn’t vote since he was 18. Obviously he hates Trump, but he hates Kamala as well. So he basically boycotted the election. A typical staunch Democrat.

This basically explains it all. I said like four months ago Kamala was extremely unpopular, but not because she is a woman. She just sucks. And this is solid anecdotal evidence as to why Dem turnout was low. The Dems fucked up big time.
 

ALC

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I had dinner tonight with a friend who was a former Bernie voter along with his usually Republican wife. She voted for Trump because she was tired of being called a racist, while he didn’t vote at all. This was the first time he didn’t vote since he was 18. Obviously he hates Trump, but he hates Kamala as well. So he basically boycotted the election. A typical staunch Democrat.

This basically explains it all. I said like four months ago Kamala was extremely unpopular, but not because she is a woman. She just sucks. And this is solid anecdotal evidence as to why Dem turnout was low. The Dems fucked up big time.
I agree, I voted for Oliver Chase. Kamala didn’t appeal to me at all, and I didn’t want the democrat party to have my vote, even though I’m a registered democrat. They’re too corporate friendly and they lean too hard into identity politics. Neither of which I agree with.

I’m getting too pessimistic about politics the older I get. It’s literally a matter of who can buy more influence, politicians are basically middle managers screwing regular Americans out of all they can to benefit corporations.
 

swag

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I was about to ask, like wtf kinda cereals do they have there. Its dry cereal and just milk. It's literally the least messiest to clean :p
I don't make the rules. I just report them.

It’s even worse if you’re atheist. You can’t win a local election if you say you’re one, let alone a national level one. The irony is, I’m pretty sure Trump is an atheist. Dude has zero knowledge about the bible or Christianity in general.
Hear hear. Being an atheist is a bigger impediment to being electable in the U.S. than being trans. Think about that.

You know we have a joke about US politics?
US doesn't have a left but Fascists and liberal fascists :D at least compared to italian standards.

The only decent politician you have is Sanders which americans despise and slander and never consider ... oh the irony.
Imagine if Sander was elected as president in 2020 instead of sleepy joe.
Ummm, I think you took my post as a dunk on Italy when I was merely demonstrating that apples aren't oranges.

Otherwise you're preaching to the choir here, buddy.

Very few in western Europe are left compared to OG Italian standards. You had genuine full blown communists demographics all the way up to the 80s :D
We still have communist mayors running the towns in Almada across the river from Lisbon.

And the results are what you'd expect... lots of support for the worker, lots of "we're against anything the U.S. is for" (a kind of reverse Ron DeSantis), and streets littered with garbage nobody picks up.

He will win CA in his third term.

hurd it hur furst
This will be the GOP's demise though: confusing their ride on the global anti-incumbent wave for loyal public appreciation — and not something that won’t suddenly reverse once you're in power.

That same wave threw Trump out of office the first time.

An argument for what? That the ladder climbing, lane shifting, careerist 'corporate donor created' Frankenstein with zero values, vision, charisma (or ability to fake any of them/ or answer even a simple question) who was the most historically unpopular person to serve in the White House in modern history after being humiliated and dropping out of the 2020 Dem primary in 6th place may not have been the best candidate to force through with no primary? Especially on the back of Dems creating this situation through cheating Bernie, having no 2024 primary while running a campaign based around "muh democracy"?

I know you don't realize this because you aren't American but before Joe Biden dropped out nobody in America liked or wanted Kamala Harris. There is no Kamala Harris base, it doesn't even exist and now that she is no longer a potential way to stop Trump we will likely never hear from her again. It will be as if she never existed.

and i say this as a libcuck who voted for Kamala
Just read my posts on Kamala here 4 years ago: https://www.juventuz.com/threads/murica.41595/page-859#post-6155729

And yet I still voted for her. That’s how bad my choices were.

I had dinner tonight with a friend who was a former Bernie voter along with his usually Republican wife. She voted for Trump because she was tired of being called a racist, while he didn’t vote at all. This was the first time he didn’t vote since he was 18. Obviously he hates Trump, but he hates Kamala as well. So he basically boycotted the election. A typical staunch Democrat.

This basically explains it all. I said like four months ago Kamala was extremely unpopular, but not because she is a woman. She just sucks. And this is solid anecdotal evidence as to why Dem turnout was low. The Dems fucked up big time.
For all the dismissal of "mean tweets" being substantially irrelevant, I find it funny that people vote for someone because the other party called them a bad name.
 
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icemaη

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so it's basically ignorance and/or misinformation
It's more complicated though. It's not easy to vote for the lesser evil when the lesser evil is actively killing your relatives in your home country. On top of that Trump actually met with the Arabs and made (most likely false) promises, while Kamala refused to give the time of the day to the uncommitted voters.
 

IliveForJuve

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Jan 17, 2011
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Not sure about that.

If I was Ukraine I would be preparing my bumhole for a bad deal/compromise. I doubt Europe will get its shit together to protect itself on time.

China is licking its lips right now. They might not get another chance to attack Taiwan without daddy USA interference.
Actually I take this back. They are two different things as the US has an interest in Taiwanese microchips.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I had dinner tonight with a friend who was a former Bernie voter along with his usually Republican wife. She voted for Trump because she was tired of being called a racist, while he didn’t vote at all. This was the first time he didn’t vote since he was 18. Obviously he hates Trump, but he hates Kamala as well. So he basically boycotted the election. A typical staunch Democrat.

This basically explains it all. I said like four months ago Kamala was extremely unpopular, but not because she is a woman. She just sucks. And this is solid anecdotal evidence as to why Dem turnout was low. The Dems fucked up big time.
How to marriages like this last?
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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It's more complicated though. It's not easy to vote for the lesser evil when the lesser evil is actively killing your relatives in your home country. On top of that Trump actually met with the Arabs and made (most likely false) promises, while Kamala refused to give the time of the day to the uncommitted voters.
and he also encouraged netanjahu to be more brutal, and one look at his donors' list and you're clear on his interest. so we're back to misinformation?
 

swag

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It's more complicated though. It's not easy to vote for the lesser evil when the lesser evil is actively killing your relatives in your home country. On top of that Trump actually met with the Arabs and made (most likely false) promises, while Kamala refused to give the time of the day to the uncommitted voters.
When people are accusing Israel of genocide with Biden's support, I mean, how much worse can genocide really get?

I don't think that's ignorance or misinformation. That's rejecting existing policy on the crapshoot that the replacement couldn't be any worse.
 

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