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JuveJay

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20 years ago in Uni international relations course, we had a pretty level headed political science guest lecturer from the US. And general topic was different countries social fabrics and choices of leadership or profiles. And he was pretty adamant then, and still is now I bet, that the US will never elect a female president in our life times. It's just not in the psyche of American voters to accept that fully.


He said Pakistan is way more likely to elect their 2nd or 3rd female president before US ever elect their first.
So what you're saying is that Trump essentially won twice by default lol?
 

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Osman

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So what you're saying is that Trump essentially won twice by default lol?

Pretty much lol,

Nah the professors take was pretty much same as someone else mentionned in previous page. In other western countries, prime ministers (or presidents) get elected as females easier because the focus is on the party first and foremost. And only second it is the leader.


Parliamentary coalition government's Party leaders are generally just another employee who work their way up to the big seat or theirs rotation chair of leadership until someone eventually gets the main seat in any given election that party wins. Its why boring hacks like Teresa May get their turns lol Just another high profile employee. Didn't go through the hunger games to get the job.


While the US president the main focus is not so much on the party itself but fully and utterly on the charismatic individual, the prestige of the presidency, it becomes hyper focused on that as an icon (like Kings were in the past), like its almost a cult of worship almost at its peak. Way before a trump, JFK and Reagan became larger then life superstars. Or how much Obama & Clinton being "cool" or smooth became a thing. After success its very much becomes a star power thing. And only secondary then it's the party and politics.


It's an aspect it's way easier for male leaders to stand out in then female ones. Especially when you compared to an entire catalogue of past figureheads that were all males in the fairly young nations history.


Rare exception unless you are Finlands former prime minister Sanna Marin. She wasn't an anonymous leader pushed up to the coalition seat. She was pretty much a rockstar that looked like a model. Stood out with charisma and became more of a talk then her highest seat itself lol But in Finland it's not as cool to stand out too much so eventually it became to her detriment.
 
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X Æ A-12

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the takeaway from this campaign is that muricans will always vote for any man against any woman. that's where democrats failed big time. if hillary's failure wasn't enough, this must be the confirmation

they have 3 years to find a guy to put in the spotlight
Damn with this level of profound insight into the American electorate you must be a Dem strategist lol
 

campionesidd

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20 years ago in Uni international relations course, we had a pretty level headed political science guest lecturer from the US. And general topic was different countries social fabrics and choices of leadership or profiles. And he was pretty adamant then, and still is now I bet, that the US will never elect a female president in our life times. It's just not in the psyche of American voters to accept that fully.


He said Pakistan is way more likely to elect their 2nd or 3rd female president before US ever elect their first.
It’s even worse if you’re atheist. You can’t win a local election if you say you’re one, let alone a national level one. The irony is, I’m pretty sure Trump is an atheist. Dude has zero knowledge about the bible or Christianity in general.
 

Valerio.

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Yeah, but you're used to new clowns in the circus show that is Italian politics. Unlike the U.S., nobody has ever held up Italy as a role model for democratic institutions and leadership.

Just sayin'... your standards are way different.



Ron DeSantis is the best at this though. They guy has no original ideas in his head other than to react with the opposite what some drag queen might want.

It's one thing to have an internal compass and reject lunatics. It's another entirely to start every morning thinking "What would Dylan Mulvaney do?" And then figure out how you'd make it your public raison d'être to claim this is an epidemic problem and you have a plan to save Florida by doing the opposite.



Can't wait for Musk to save money by eliminating the IRS and replacing it with overseas accountants in Nigeria. American budget and tax returns go brrrr.



Clearly he did not get the Coast-Cal-Guard for poor people that provide much better service for free.



Oregon has tons of seals. It thus has tons of sharks.



As much as I make fun of Trump's campaign for highlighting some of the most marginalized carnival acts cosplaying celebrities, Kamala putting on a celebrity show like she's organizing an Ambani wedding was only going to alienate the working class voters she could have ever hoped to court.

That said, I'm not sure all the inbred wypipo who don't know who Megan Thee Stallion were the intended target ... anymore than Bud Light's Dylan Mulvaney ads were targeting them.

Yes, it's a bit lame for black people to receive, "Dazzle them with entertainment and maybe they won't ask questions." But too many snowflakes get worked up thinking every form of entertainment or every piece of media has to be about them, and they are offended when it isn't targeted to them.



Broke and otherwise homeless people give some so much pleasure to want to torture. I don't get it. It's up there with the dark web sadistic monkey torture people in my book. Or the dark web J-torture of people smothering kittens to death with their feet.

I'd get off a lot more on putting Miley Cyrus in a cage and sending her to the gas chambers. Because then at least she did things to deserved it.
You know we have a joke about US politics?
US doesn't have a left but Fascists and liberal fascists :D at least compared to italian standards.

The only decent politician you have is Sanders which americans despise and slander and never consider ... oh the irony.
Imagine if Sander was elected as president in 2020 instead of sleepy joe.
 

Osman

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Very few in western Europe are left compared to OG Italian standards. You had genuine full blown communists demographics all the way up to the 80s :D
 

X Æ A-12

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do it kyle. you're not one of those dumbos, make an argument.
An argument for what? That the ladder climbing, lane shifting, careerist 'corporate donor created' Frankenstein with zero values, vision, charisma (or ability to fake any of them/ or answer even a simple question) who was the most historically unpopular person to serve in the White House in modern history after being humiliated and dropping out of the 2020 Dem primary in 6th place may not have been the best candidate to force through with no primary? Especially on the back of Dems creating this situation through cheating Bernie, having no 2024 primary while running a campaign based around "muh democracy"?

I know you don't realize this because you aren't American but before Joe Biden dropped out nobody in America liked or wanted Kamala Harris. There is no Kamala Harris base, it doesn't even exist and now that she is no longer a potential way to stop Trump we will likely never hear from her again. It will be as if she never existed.

and i say this as a libcuck who voted for Kamala
 
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Osman

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lol

thx anyway, i guess you tried your best

His post makes perfect sense.


Two things can be true at once.

US are not very likely to elect female for president.


And Kamala was a quite unpopular forced upon the masses centrist dem establishment choice. It's true she wouldn't survived a primary as main candidate.
 

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