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AlexDP705

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Jul 10, 2018
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Apologies if this has already been raised in this thread - just chipping in with my 2 cents.

I don't live in the US, I'm not into US politics at all despite the Australian news channels ramping up their coverage in recent years. News is basically pure entertainment these days, so no surprise there.

My one takeaway is: The Democrats messaging wasn't clear enough and Kamala Harris was a terrible candidate.

I listened to some of her interviews and I had a really hard time understanding what her campaign was about, besides not being Trump. She also failed to put some distance between her and Biden.

All in all I don't think I missed anything by not paying much attention to this whole circus.

I'm not surprised at all that Trump won - I called this months ago (see below). It's the economy, stupid!
Nearly every incumbent government in office during the inflation rise have lost elections this year
 

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L'autista
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the takeaway from this campaign is that muricans will always vote for any man against any woman. that's where democrats failed big time. if hillary's failure wasn't enough, this must be the confirmation

they have 3 years to find a guy to put in the spotlight
That's what the the burning vag lobby wants you to believe. Don't fall for it.

America's "soft landing" post-Covid was great for retaining employment levels and GDP. But like every other national economy, it fell victim to inflation. Sayonara.

There was no mandate to this election other than people hate paying $17 for a Big Mac.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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That's what the the burning vag lobby wants you to believe. Don't fall for it.

America's "soft landing" post-Covid was great for retaining employment levels and GDP. But like every other national economy, it fell victim to inflation. Sayonara.

There was no mandate to this election other than people hate paying $17 for a Big Mac.
masses rarely understand economics, that's not a takeaway, that's common knowledge

the fact that even you use the words burning vag lobby is the confirmation of my conclusion

next time dems run with any woman they'll lose once again, regardless of the economic situation

if trump had a chance to run for a 4th time, he'd win in 2028 vs harris even if he implemented his idiotic tariffs and wrecked the economy. people don't learn, they should have known from his first term that he is unable to handle a crisis and raised federal debt like a champ. he won vs clinton too when the world economy in 2016 was in a state of grace with a relatively high growth and record low inflation in developed economies (didn't check us data specifically but i suppose they aligned well with the rest of the world)

inflation might have played a role but if they have replaced harris with a dude who looks all right on billboards and can string 3 sentences together i think it's a win despite the insane misinformation campaign
 

Badass J Elkann

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Feb 12, 2006
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For the record, it's still not what Badass said would happen. But anyway...

That really is fucked up. Gloating about putting kids in cages? My God...
What I said is exactly what you have just seen and read. Blacks, latinos anyone who opposes Trump or he dislikes will be up for deportation or put into camps, once he invokes the alien enemies act of 1798 it's a free for all.

Welcome to 1939.

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masses rarely understand economics, that's not a takeaway, that's common knowledge

the fact that even you use the words burning vag lobby is the confirmation of my conclusion

next time dems run with any woman they'll lose once again, regardless of the economic situation

if trump had a chance to run for a 4th time, he'd win in 2028 vs harris even if he implemented his idiotic tariffs and wrecked the economy. people don't learn, they should have known from his first term that he is unable to handle a crisis and raised federal debt like a champ. he won vs clinton too when the world economy in 2016 was in a state of grace with a relatively high growth and record low inflation in developed economies (didn't check us data specifically but i suppose they aligned well with the rest of the world)

inflation might have played a role but if they have replaced harris with a dude who looks all right on billboards and can string 3 sentences together i think it's a win despite the insane misinformation campaign
This might sound extreme but I don't even think there will be another election once project 2025 is in full swing, Trump may stay beyond his term, I really wouldn't be surprised by anything anymore, even Trump himself was gloating how you'll never need to vote again once he's in. Democracy in the US is dead, people have traded it off thinking theyll save a few dollars on their groceries.... I don't know if Trump supporters are cucks or just love being in relationships with narcissists, it's fucked up.
 
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AlexDP705

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Jul 10, 2018
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yeah. people in general don't understand very well how economies work. otherwise trump's dumb obsession with tariffs would have meant the end of him
For all the criticisms of Trump's tariffs and trade war policy during his last term the Biden/Harris administration kept much of it in place and sought to expand it (granted not to the same extent as Trump's current plans), despite the economic detriment to everyday households. With the tarrifs/trade war it's also as much a geopolitical stunt as it is economical because of the bipartisan support for containing China's technological development, which is a far more important issue for the US ruling class than improving domestic living standards is.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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...the Biden/Harris administration kept much of it in place and sought to expand it (granted not to the same extent as Trump's current plans)....
as a mean of generating budgetary revenue, tariffs in general are normal, part of the good majority of the tax policy of countries. protectionism has been an integral part of most countries' (or communities like the eu) policy for centuries. nothing wrong with those in general. the eu just slapped an extra 7.8-35.3% tariff (on top of the general 10% import duty) on chinese cars to protect their industry, and i fully support that.

but you have to make a distinction between tariffs in the acceptable range and trump's insanity. the issue is that trump
1. communicated a gazillion times that foreign countries will pay the tariffs, which is utter bullshit, would result in an instant fail at any taxation/economics class. people (trump voters included) deserve better transparency. the press should have explained ad nauseum how tariffs work and don't let donald get away with false promises, and the gop is also responsible for nominating a liar. it is a promise that is literally impossible to keep. they are banking on stupidity and ignorance.
2. according to his vague speeches wants excessive (often unspecified) tariffs on many (often unspecified) products that would fuel inflation. 200% on john deere tractors made in mexico is one specific rate i can remember. and that is simply nuts
 

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masses rarely understand economics, that's not a takeaway, that's common knowledge

the fact that even you use the words burning vag lobby is the confirmation of my conclusion

next time dems run with any woman they'll lose once again, regardless of the economic situation
As much as the U.S. always surprises and delights me with new levels of racism and sexism I didn't know it still had, I'm still not there in believing that Mexico can elect a female president but the U.S. can't. It depends on the person, just as Obama wasn't just any black man.

I could be completely proven wrong, however. Tulsi Gabbard might never be viable in GOP or Democrat eyes for that matter. In which case, the news would be grim for JD Vance: the superficiality of the voting public won't elect a short man with a beard covering for a weak chin as much as they wouldn't stand for a woman looking subservient next to the likes of Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un.
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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the takeaway from this campaign is that muricans will always vote for any man against any woman. that's where democrats failed big time. if hillary's failure wasn't enough, this must be the confirmation

they have 3 years to find a guy to put in the spotlight
Gabbard would have dumpstered Trump years ago but she threatened Clinton too much
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Before I destroyed my knee I would surf all the time at night here off Vancouver Island, but we have never had a great white spotting in the area and no other dangerous sharks here either. Would never think of doing it in Cali or Oregon again. It’s not so bad being in shark prone areas if you’re in a busy spot with a lot of other surfers. When it’s just one or two of you, it’s pretty terrifying. If a shark shows up, you are the only target.
I get nervous going out by myself here on the east coast. Would never do that out west. You guys are craze-E.

We know a lot of MAGA consists of literal Nazis and pseudo-Nazis. That much is clear, just look at those two scumbags. However, I don't think every single person who voted for Trump is a Nazi. Some are obviously stupid as fuck, yes. But others have kids, go to church, probably have been in combat scenarios, et cetera. So the hope would be these people have enough compassion for human beings that they disregard orders that are illegal or unconstitutional under the "duty to disobey", like putting kids in cages and stuff like that. I can't imagine all parents would be cool with that. But who knows, it happened before.

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By the way, Trump isn't even in office yet and the attacks against blacks have already started as well. This will probably just ramp up since the Nazis are now emboldened.

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masses rarely understand economics, that's not a takeaway, that's common knowledge

the fact that even you use the words burning vag lobby is the confirmation of my conclusion

next time dems run with any woman they'll lose once again, regardless of the economic situation

if trump had a chance to run for a 4th time, he'd win in 2028 vs harris even if he implemented his idiotic tariffs and wrecked the economy. people don't learn, they should have known from his first term that he is unable to handle a crisis and raised federal debt like a champ. he won vs clinton too when the world economy in 2016 was in a state of grace with a relatively high growth and record low inflation in developed economies (didn't check us data specifically but i suppose they aligned well with the rest of the world)

inflation might have played a role but if they have replaced harris with a dude who looks all right on billboards and can string 3 sentences together i think it's a win despite the insane misinformation campaign
I wouldn't be surprised if Ivanka Trump is President one day.
 

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As much as the U.S. always surprises and delights me with new levels of racism and sexism I didn't know it still had, I'm still not there in believing that Mexico can elect a female president but the U.S. can't. It depends on the person, just as Obama wasn't just any black man.

I could be completely proven wrong, however. Tulsi Gabbard might never be viable in GOP or Democrat eyes for that matter. In which case, the news would be grim for JD Vance: the superficiality of the voting public won't elect a short man with a beard covering for a weak chin as much as they wouldn't stand for a woman looking subservient next to the likes of Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un.
Well in Mexico, the vote is generally more for the party rather than the individual candidate. So there’s an easier route to power for a woman.
 

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L'autista
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Well in Mexico, the vote is generally more for the party rather than the individual candidate. So there’s an easier route to power for a woman.
True. But it was no secret what voting the party would result in ... tampon dispensers in the Palacio Nacional.
 

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True. But it was no secret what voting the party would result in ... tampon dispensers in the Palacio Nacional.
To be fair, there were going to be tampons in the Palacio no matter which party won. That’s probably the most surprising aspect of that election.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Well in Mexico, the vote is generally more for the party rather than the individual candidate. So there’s an easier route to power for a woman.
Agreed.

In this particular case though I'd also add that Harris perhaps just wasn't a convincing candidate. I mean, if I were American I really would want to vote against Trump. But I did follow the Democrat campaign and there were only fleeting moments in which I thought maybe people would also want to vote for Harris. Part of that is perhaps the lack of clear message in terms of policy. But it's also that she does not have the charisma of a Michelle Obama.
 

Siamak

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Well in Mexico, the vote is generally more for the party rather than the individual candidate. So there’s an easier route to power for a woman.
Don't know whether it's true or not, I heard that in Mexico cartels are non existent, they are far ahead of US in crime corruption and cheating.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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As much as the U.S. always surprises and delights me with new levels of racism and sexism I didn't know it still had, I'm still not there in believing that Mexico can elect a female president but the U.S. can't. It depends on the person, just as Obama wasn't just any black man.

I could be completely proven wrong, however. Tulsi Gabbard might never be viable in GOP or Democrat eyes for that matter. In which case, the news would be grim for JD Vance: the superficiality of the voting public won't elect a short man with a beard covering for a weak chin as much as they wouldn't stand for a woman looking subservient next to the likes of Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un.
vance is a proper opportunist. he has thick skin, he's totally immune to criticism, lies like a champ (his "i/he never said it" is just as stronk as lion's) and has no moral compass at all. and he can even string 3 sentences together. he's an ideal trump successor.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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